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From: ""lewis on 18 Jan 2008 07:55
On 18-Jan-08 04:59, in article C3B5E29F.D07D%gkreme(a)gmail.com,
""lewis(a)Gmail"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme(a)gmail.com,
> ""lewis(a)Gmail"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP account
>> and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo attachments.
>> Thunderbird displayed it fine.
>
> OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My mail
> send Plain Text only). Your attachments will show up fine.

Oh, and just for the record, even when sent as html, the attachments DO show
up in Thunderbird, but only in the 'attachment well' at the bottom of the
message display.

From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 18 Jan 2008 11:58
In <Xns9A26655137B2Btegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> When I (as a PC user) receive the messages, attachments are missing
> entirely in Thunderbird and are present but not decodable in Outlook
> Express.

> My question: is there some way of telling Apple Mail not to put the
> "Content-Id:" line in the header?

Can you quote the full headers (anonymizing addresses as needed) of one
the messages that fails. Also provide the "header" portion for the
attachment.

I really think that there must be something special about these messages
in particular, since people using Apple's Mail.app have been sending
content with attachments to people using Thunderbird and Outhouse on
Windows for many years now.

-j


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From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 18 Jan 2008 12:11
In <Xns9A26C7A25A646tegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote:

> How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line?

It's in the MIME standards (for almost a decade now), and I believe
(though I could be wrong about this) it was initially introduced at the
behest of Microsoft when they started sending HTML mail. The idea was to
be able to tie particular attachments to particular image embedding in
HTML mail.

http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2392.txt

> What possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody else
> up? Who does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates?

I hate HTML mail as much as anybody. But to my knowledge, you are the
only one experiencing this problem. This is not to say that there isn't a
bug or standards violation in Apple Mail. If that's what it turns out to
be it wouldn't be the first.

So here are a few things to check out to help identify the problem.

(1) Ask the sender to copy the messages sent to you to other windows users
and find out if those other recipients have the same problem you are
experiencing.

(2) See of other people using Apple's Mail.app can send you messages with
attachments.

And of course, try to post full headers and the header for the "part" from
an offending message.

I am not at all happy that Apple went to creating HTML mail in Leopard.
I wouldn't be surprised if it were causing compatibility problems. But
lets find out what the problem really is before jumping to conclusions.

-j


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From: Tegger on 18 Jan 2008 19:20
"\"lewis(a)Gmail\"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:C3B5E29F.D07D%gkreme(a)gmail.com:

> On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme(a)gmail.com,
> ""lewis(a)Gmail"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP
>> account and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo
>> attachments. Thunderbird displayed it fine.
>
> OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My
> mail send Plain Text only). Your attachments will show up fine.
>



I asked him today. He never got around to it. I'll try again Monday.

--
Tegger

From: Tegger on 18 Jan 2008 19:22
"\"lewis(a)Gmail\"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote in
news:C3B5EFCB.D081%gkreme(a)gmail.com:

> On 18-Jan-08 04:59, in article C3B5E29F.D07D%gkreme(a)gmail.com,
> ""lewis(a)Gmail"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 18-Jan-08 04:32, in article C3B5DC65.D036%gkreme(a)gmail.com,
>> ""lewis(a)Gmail"" <gkreme(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hmm.. I just fired up Thunderbiord 2.0.0.9 and pointed it at my IMAP
>>> account and went to a mail I'd sent from Mail.app with several photo
>>> attachments. Thunderbird displayed it fine.
>>
>> OK, tell your Mac user to sent in PLAIN TEXT instead of Rich Text (My
>> mail send Plain Text only). Your attachments will show up fine.
>
> Oh, and just for the record, even when sent as html, the attachments
> DO show up in Thunderbird, but only in the 'attachment well' at the
> bottom of the message display.
>
>


Not for me. No paper clip, nothing in the attachment well, nothing. I'm not
the only one who can't see his attachments, either.

If nobody else has this problem, it must be his configuration.

--
Tegger

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