Apple Mail: attachment problems
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From: Tegger on 18 Jan 2008 19:37 Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody(a)goldmark.org> wrote in news:alpine.OSX.0.99999.0801181059011.6748(a)hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org: > In <Xns9A26C7A25A646tegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote: > >> How come Apple is the only one that uses a "Content-Id:" line? > > It's in the MIME standards (for almost a decade now), and I believe > (though I could be wrong about this) it was initially introduced at > the behest of Microsoft when they started sending HTML mail. The idea > was to be able to tie particular attachments to particular image > embedding in HTML mail. > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2392.txt > >> What possible purpose could it serve other than to mess everybody >> else up? Who does Steve Jobs think he is? Bill Gates? > > I hate HTML mail as much as anybody. But to my knowledge, you are the > only one experiencing this problem. I'm not, actually. My supplier tells me he has hit-and-miss problems with customers and others not reliably being able to see his attachments. He has Thunderbird installed for use in those situations. -- Tegger
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 18 Jan 2008 19:55 In <Xns9A29C469BA471tegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote: > Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody(a)goldmark.org> wrote in >> Can you quote the full headers > Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753) > To: <me> > Message-Id: <3E3AD6E5-06C2-4714-8C1A-58B93ADCB477@<supplier>> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-13-848248403 > From: <supplier> > Subject: Renderings > Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2008 16:31:04 -0500 > X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753) OK. I don't have that version of Mail.app to play with. > Base-64 header portion for a typical attachment: > > > --Apple-Mail-14-848248403 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 > Content-Id: <E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3(a)local> > Content-Type: image/jpeg; > x-mac-type=4A504547; > x-unix-mode=0644; > x-mac-creator=3842494D; > name=whatever.jpg > Content-Disposition: inline; > filename=whatever.jpg > Can you look through the raw HTML part of the message and look for something like cid:E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3(a)local If you find it, please post the context in which you find it. If you don't find it then there really is a bad bug in that version of Mail.app. > Interestingly, I've just discovered an Apple Mail message to me from > 2003. It does NOT contain the Content-Id line, and the attachments are > visible and decodable. Version 1.X of Apple Mail didn't compose HTML mail. Content-Id only makes sense in the context of an HTML message. As I said, the purpose of Content-id is to link an attachment to some URI in the HTML part of a message. Cheers, -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 18 Jan 2008 21:06 In <Xns9A29C6FB42C5Btegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote: > I just told Thunderbird to View > Message Body As > Plain Text. > > Suddenly all the attachments show up, including the JPG he's used for his > "sig". It would appear that viewing in plain text forces ALL files to show > up as attachments. Not ideal, but it does work. I'm pleased that you found a work-around. I'm still curious about what the source of the problem is. If Mail.app always messed up attachments in HTML mail the problem would have been noticed long ago. So there is something about the way your sender is working that is tickling a bug in Mail.app. I'm happy to keep pressing your for details, but I'm not all that optimistic about identifying, much less solving, the problem without cooperation of the person sending the mail. > I can't seem to find where to tell Outhouse Express how to render the > message, I can't help you there. There may not even be a way to say that you want to see the text/plain part instead of the text/html part. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/
From: Jeffrey Goldberg on 18 Jan 2008 21:07 In <Xns9A29C7690213Ctegger(a)207.14.116.130>, Tegger wrote: > Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody(a)goldmark.org> wrote >> I hate HTML mail as much as anybody. But to my knowledge, you are the >> only one experiencing this problem. > I'm not, actually. My supplier tells me he has hit-and-miss problems with > customers and others not reliably being able to see his attachments. He has > Thunderbird installed for use in those situations. OK. Noted. -j -- Jeffrey Goldberg http://www.goldmark.org/jeff/ I rarely read top-posted, over-quoting or HTML postings. http://improve-usenet.org/
From: Tegger on 19 Jan 2008 09:08
Jeffrey Goldberg <nobody(a)goldmark.org> wrote in news:alpine.OSX.0.99999.0801181840310.6748(a)hagrid.ewd.goldmark.org: >> > > Can you look through the raw HTML part of the message and look for > something like > > cid:E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3(a)local > > If you find it, please post the context in which you find it. It's there. I don't know enough about HTML to know what all this means, but here it is: <div><br class=3D"webkit-block-placeholder"></div><div><span><img = src=3D"cid:E395D166-4754-41CF-8F30-4CEAE4BE12F3(a)local"></span><span><img = src=3D"cid:D2993A11-BAF1-4796-83A9-0914D148F5D4(a)local"></span><br><br><div= > <span><img =src=3D"cid:4C4FE1C6-BBC4-480D-B273-1AFDF269F6B4(a)local"> </span><span = class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: = rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: = normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: = normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: = 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: = 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; = -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: = auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0; "><div style=3D"font-family: = Helvetica; "><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><br = class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" = face=3D"Arial">smoebody's name</font></div> -- Tegger |