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From: Jamie Kahn Genet on 12 Oct 2009 07:36
Betty B Crooker <crooker(a)crooker345.com> wrote:

> I have to buy a new monitor and, LEDs being a relatively new technology,
> I was willing to shell out more. $899 for an Apple display seemed quite
> reasonable. Then a friend suggested I take a wider look on the net.
> Here's what it looks like:
>
> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
> 250 cd/m2 DC 2000000:1 - Retail $10 off w/ promo code EMCMLLW53, ends 10/14
>
> $329.95
>
> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824005134
>
> Samsung Rolls Out the SyncMaster XL2370 LED Monitor
> Kicks off at US$299
>
> The specifications of the new XL2370 include support for a maximum
> resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, making Samsung's latest 23-inch
> display an ideal choice for multimedia enthusiasts who want to enjoy a
> Blu-ray quality movie, in the comfort of their own home. In addition,
> the new LED backlight display offers a MEGA Dynamic contrast ratio of
> 5,000,000:1, with a 16:9 aspect ratio and a 2ms response time. The
> XL2370 offers an ultra-thin profile, which enables users to save space,
> while also offering a sleek design.
>
> The monitor is expected to become available starting October 12 and will
> go on sale for an estimated street price of US$299.
>
> http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsung-Rolls-Out-the-SyncMaster-XL2370-LED
> -Monitor-123851.shtml
>
> I believe Apple's monitors are made by LG. I have all the speakers and
> cameras I need. What could possibly justify paying thrice the price?

Why won't you get help for your illness? You contribute nothing
worthwhile to the world and no one likes you. It's obvious that you
crave any attention, but this is just pathetic.
--
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
From: Priam on 12 Oct 2009 13:37
On 10/12/2009 02:28 AM, Malcolm wrote:
> On 2009-10-11 18:49:19 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:
>
>> On 10/11/2009 04:09 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:38:28 -0400, Betty B Crooker wrote:
>>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
>>>> 250 cd/m2 DC 2000000:1 - Retail $10 off w/ promo code EMCMLLW53,
>>>> ends 10/14
>>>
>>> The W2486L ist just an ordinary TN device.
>>
>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
>>
>> Can you read: LED Backlight ?
>>
>>> Why do you want such a cheap
>>> and poor thing, compared to a good Apple display?
>>
>> Where does Apple say their display is not a TN?
> The wider viewing angle means it's not TN.

How nice! You can stand up while watching your monitor and you have 8�
more horizontal viwing angle. It's well worth thrice the price!

>> Technical Specifications
>>
>> * Screen size: 24 inches (diagonal viewable)
>> * Screen type: TFT active-matrix LCD
>> * Resolution: 1920 by 1200 pixels
>> * Colors: 16.7 million
>> * Viewing angle: 178� horizontal; 178� vertical
>> * Brightness: 330 cd/m2
>> * Contrast ratio: 1000:1
>>
>> Don't you think a 1000:1 contrast ratio is rather lame compared to
>> Samsung's 5,000,000:1?

> The 1000:1 is real contrast.

Even 1000:1 is poor for real contrast.

> The 5,000,000:1 is dynamic contrast ratio,
> which is the ratio of white with the backlight at full brightness to
> black with the backlight at minimum brightness. This is a meaningless
> number used for marketing purposes.

Dynamic contrast ratio

A notable recent development in the LCD technology is the so-called
"dynamic contrast" (DC). When there is a need to display a dark image,
the display would underpower the backlight lamp (or decrease the
aperture of the projector's lens using an iris), but will
proportionately amplify the transmission through the LCD panel.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_ratio#Methods_of_measurement

Thisi being said, yes, it's a number used for marketing purposes. Still,
I'd rather go for a 5,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, than for Apple's
1000:1... at thrice the price.
From: Malcolm on 12 Oct 2009 19:21
On 2009-10-12 13:37:09 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:

> On 10/12/2009 02:28 AM, Malcolm wrote:
>> On 2009-10-11 18:49:19 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:
>>
>>> On 10/11/2009 04:09 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:38:28 -0400, Betty B Crooker wrote:
>>>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
>>>>> 250 cd/m2 DC 2000000:1 - Retail $10 off w/ promo code EMCMLLW53,
>>>>> ends 10/14
>>>>
>>>> The W2486L ist just an ordinary TN device.
>>>
>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
>>>
>>> Can you read: LED Backlight ?
>>>
>>>> Why do you want such a cheap
>>>> and poor thing, compared to a good Apple display?
>>>
>>> Where does Apple say their display is not a TN?
>> The wider viewing angle means it's not TN.
>
> How nice! You can stand up while watching your monitor and you have 8�
> more horizontal viewing angle.
Yes. With some displays, f you walk up to the desk for a quick look at
the screen, you can't see anything. You have to sit down to see the
picture. Even in normal use, the TN display give undesirable color
shifts if not viewed straight on.
> It's well worth thrice the price!
>
>>> Technical Specifications
>>>
>>> * Screen size: 24 inches (diagonal viewable)
>>> * Screen type: TFT active-matrix LCD
>>> * Resolution: 1920 by 1200 pixels
>>> * Colors: 16.7 million
>>> * Viewing angle: 178� horizontal; 178� vertical
>>> * Brightness: 330 cd/m2
>>> * Contrast ratio: 1000:1
>>>
>>> Don't you think a 1000:1 contrast ratio is rather lame compared to
>>> Samsung's 5,000,000:1?
>
>> The 1000:1 is real contrast.
>
> Even 1000:1 is poor for real contrast.
Actually is is very good for real contrast.

>
>> The 5,000,000:1 is dynamic contrast ratio,
>> which is the ratio of white with the backlight at full brightness to
>> black with the backlight at minimum brightness. This is a meaningless
>> number used for marketing purposes.
>
> Dynamic contrast ratio
>
> A notable recent development in the LCD technology is the so-called
> "dynamic contrast" (DC). When there is a need to display a dark image,
> the display would underpower the backlight lamp (or decrease the
> aperture of the projector's lens using an iris), but will
> proportionately amplify the transmission through the LCD panel.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contrast_ratio#Methods_of_measurement
>
> This being said, yes, it's a number used for marketing purposes. Still,
> I'd rather go for a 5,000,000:1 dynamic contrast ratio, than for
> Apple's 1000:1
So you would rather have an unknown real contrast ratio than a very good one.

> ... at thrice the price.


From: Priam on 12 Oct 2009 20:04
On 10/12/2009 07:21 PM, Malcolm wrote:
> On 2009-10-12 13:37:09 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:
>
>> On 10/12/2009 02:28 AM, Malcolm wrote:
>>> On 2009-10-11 18:49:19 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:
>>>
>>>> On 10/11/2009 04:09 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:38:28 -0400, Betty B Crooker wrote:
>>>>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD
>>>>>> Monitor
>>>>>> 250 cd/m2 DC 2000000:1 - Retail $10 off w/ promo code EMCMLLW53,
>>>>>> ends 10/14
>>>>>
>>>>> The W2486L ist just an ordinary TN device.
>>>>
>>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
>>>>
>>>> Can you read: LED Backlight ?
>>>>
>>>>> Why do you want such a cheap
>>>>> and poor thing, compared to a good Apple display?
>>>>
>>>> Where does Apple say their display is not a TN?
>>> The wider viewing angle means it's not TN.
>>
>> How nice! You can stand up while watching your monitor and you have 8�
>> more horizontal viewing angle.

> Yes. With some displays, f you walk up to the desk for a quick look at
> the screen, you can't see anything. You have to sit down to see the
> picture.

No kidding! Where's my check book? I'll sign for the thrice priced
monitor right away.

> So you would rather have an unknown real contrast ratio than a very good
> one.

Absolutely! Knowing the cost of the Apple tax -- see my other posts
where I compare the Mini to my AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE system -- and
you'll understand that I'd buy any PC hardware rather than Apple's eyes
closed. I know how Samsung monitors perform and there's not a shade
of a doubt in my mind they're much better value for much less money.

The difference, you see, is Samsung makes monitors, whereas Apple is
only a reseller with heavy marketing costs. That's why most Applites
don't buy Apple monitors if Jobby doesn't force them by integrating it
to the computer.

From: Malcolm on 12 Oct 2009 23:38
On 2009-10-12 20:04:45 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:

> On 10/12/2009 07:21 PM, Malcolm wrote:
>> On 2009-10-12 13:37:09 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:
>>
>>> On 10/12/2009 02:28 AM, Malcolm wrote:
>>>> On 2009-10-11 18:49:19 -0400, Priam <priam(a)notsosure.com> said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 10/11/2009 04:09 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 19:38:28 -0400, Betty B Crooker wrote:
>>>>>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD
>>>>>>> Monitor
>>>>>>> 250 cd/m2 DC 2000000:1 - Retail $10 off w/ promo code EMCMLLW53,
>>>>>>> ends 10/14
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The W2486L ist just an ordinary TN device.
>>>>>
>>>>> LG W2486L Black 24" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen LED Backlight LCD Monitor
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you read: LED Backlight ?
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you want such a cheap
>>>>>> and poor thing, compared to a good Apple display?
>>>>>
>>>>> Where does Apple say their display is not a TN?
>>>> The wider viewing angle means it's not TN.
>>>
>>> How nice! You can stand up while watching your monitor and you have 8�
>>> more horizontal viewing angle.
>
>> Yes. With some displays, f you walk up to the desk for a quick look at
>> the screen, you can't see anything. You have to sit down to see the
>> picture.
>
> No kidding! Where's my check book? I'll sign for the thrice priced
> monitor right away.
They prefer a credit card.

>> So you would rather have an unknown real contrast ratio than a very good
>> one.
>
> Absolutely! Knowing the cost of the Apple tax -- see my other posts
> where I compare the Mini to my AMD Phenom II X3 720 BE system -- and
> you'll understand that I'd buy any PC hardware rather than Apple's eyes
> closed.
That's the best way to do it. Especially for displays.

> I know how Samsung monitors perform and there's not a shade
> of a doubt in my mind they're much better value for much less money.
Then why are you looking at Apple monitors?

> The difference, you see, is Samsung makes monitors, whereas Apple is
> only a reseller with heavy marketing costs.
Where can you buy the originals?

> That's why most Applites don't buy Apple monitors if Jobby doesn't
> force them by integrating it to the computer.
Then it must be PC users buying all the non-integrated Apple displays.

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