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From: J. Clarke on 26 Jun 2010 16:00
On 6/26/2010 3:10 PM, John Christiansen wrote:
> "PD"<thedraperfamily(a)gmail.com> skrev i en meddelelse
> news:7c1d8631-52d0-4bc4-958a-a307759ce2ad(a)r27g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
> On Jun 25, 5:32 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com"<gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Some important formulas show it's impossible for cosmic rays to
>> produce 10^20 eV.
>
> A formula is useless if it "proves" something cannot exist that has
> been observed directly to exist.
>
>> ..Hawking's formula shows it's impossible for Aunt Al
>> & LHC to produce a black hole.
>>
>> 10^17 eV cosmic ray simulation produces 14 TeV particles.
>>
>> In pool, a cue ball collision can cause three or more balls to stick
>> together as they move forward...thus generating a higher kinetic
>> energy. ....but in no way do these 3 pool balls occupy the space thus
>> density of one ball, likewise for 10^20 eV to produce a black hole.
>
> 10^20 eV producing a black hole??? Don't make me laugh. It is not even
> enough energy to bring a cup of water from room temperature to boiling

And the relevance of that is?
From: guskz on 26 Jun 2010 18:34
On Jun 26, 10:08 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 8:48 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 25, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 5:32 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Some important formulas show it's impossible for cosmic rays to
> > > > produce 10^20 eV.
>
> > > A formula is useless if it "proves" something cannot exist that has
> > > been observed directly to exist.
>
> > #1. That or the observation is incorrect.
>
> It's independently confirmed. What now?
>

Not really, if so then what is an electron cloud, since it's much
bigger than an electron, then what is it?

How can they tell how many electrons in a cloud if they can't tell
it's an electron in orbit?

From what I read they can't really detect particles...just mass and
velocity by radiation deviation and momentum.

Show me how their detectors determined the mass of a cosmic ray that
produces 10^20 eV, you don't know how, and now you are precipitating
to find how.

Strange how you need the internet to convey your claim.





>
>
> > #2. A brain is useless is it "proves" it cannot understand what is
> > also written below here@!
>
> > > >..Hawking's formula shows it's impossible for Aunt Al
> > > > & LHC to produce a black hole.
>
> > > > 10^17 eV cosmic ray simulation produces 14 TeV particles.
>
> > > > In pool, a cue ball collision can cause three or more balls to stick
> > > > together as they move forward...thus generating a higher kinetic
> > > > energy. ....but in no way do these 3 pool balls occupy the space thus
> > > > density of one ball, likewise for 10^20 eV to produce a black hole.
>
>

From: Robert Higgins on 26 Jun 2010 18:39
On Jun 26, 6:34 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 26, 10:08 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 25, 8:48 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 25, 5:32 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Some important formulas show it's impossible for cosmic rays to
> > > > > produce 10^20 eV.
>
> > > > A formula is useless if it "proves" something cannot exist that has
> > > > been observed directly to exist.
>
> > > #1. That or the observation is incorrect.
>
> > It's independently confirmed. What now?
>
> Not really, if so then what is an electron cloud, since it's much
> bigger than an electron, then what is it?

Either nimbus or cumulus.

>
> How can they tell how many electrons in a cloud if they can't tell
> it's an electron in orbit?

The same way they know how many chucks would a woodchuck chuck, if a
woodchuck would chuck wood.

>
> From what I read

You can actually read?

> they can't really detect particles...

Just as "they" can't detect any signs of intelligence in your brain.

> just mass and
> velocity by radiation

or sexual

> deviation and momentum.
>
> Show me

Oh, you're from Missouri.

> how their detectors determined the mass of a cosmic ray that
> produces 10^20 eV, you don't know how, and now you are
> precipitating

No, I don't think he is raining.

> to find how.
>
> Strange how you need the internet to convey your claim.
>
>
>
> > > #2. A brain is useless is it "proves" it cannot understand what is
> > > also written below here@!
>
> > > > >..Hawking's formula shows it's impossible for Aunt Al
> > > > > & LHC to produce a black hole.
>
> > > > > 10^17 eV cosmic ray simulation produces 14 TeV particles.
>
> > > > > In pool, a cue ball collision can cause three or more balls to stick
> > > > > together as they move forward...thus generating a higher kinetic
> > > > > energy. ....but in no way do these 3 pool balls occupy the space thus
> > > > > density of one ball, likewise for 10^20 eV to produce a black hole.

From: guskz on 26 Jun 2010 20:14
On Jun 26, 6:39 pm, Robert Higgins <robert_higgins...(a)hotmail.com>
wrote:
> On Jun 26, 6:34 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 26, 10:08 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 8:48 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 25, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jun 25, 5:32 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Some important formulas show it's impossible for cosmic rays to
> > > > > > produce 10^20 eV.
>
> > > > > A formula is useless if it "proves" something cannot exist that has
> > > > > been observed directly to exist.
>
> > > > #1. That or the observation is incorrect.
>
> > > It's independently confirmed. What now?
>
> > Not really, if so then what is an electron cloud, since it's much
> > bigger than an electron, then what is it?
>
> Either nimbus or cumulus.
>
>
>
> > How can they tell how many electrons in a cloud if they can't tell
> > it's an electron in orbit?
>
> The same way they know how many chucks would a woodchuck chuck, if a
> woodchuck would chuck wood.
>
>
>
> > From what I read
>
> You can actually read?
>
> > they can't really detect particles...
>
> Just as "they" can't detect any signs of intelligence in your brain.
>
> > just mass and
> > velocity by radiation
>
> or sexual
>
> > deviation and momentum.
>
> > Show me
>
> Oh, you're from Missouri.
>
> > how their detectors determined the mass of a cosmic ray that
> > produces 10^20 eV, you don't know how, and now you are
> > precipitating
>
> No, I don't think he is raining.
>
> > to find how.
>
> > Strange how you need the internet to convey your claim.
>
> > > > #2. A brain is useless is it "proves" it cannot understand what is
> > > > also written below here@!
>
> > > > > >..Hawking's formula shows it's impossible for Aunt Al
> > > > > > & LHC to produce a black hole.
>
> > > > > > 10^17 eV cosmic ray simulation produces 14 TeV particles.
>
> > > > > > In pool, a cue ball collision can cause three or more balls to stick
> > > > > > together as they move forward...thus generating a higher kinetic
> > > > > > energy. ....but in no way do these 3 pool balls occupy the space thus
> > > > > > density of one ball, likewise for 10^20 eV to produce a black hole.
>
>

Dito.
From: guskz on 26 Jun 2010 22:55
On Jun 26, 10:08 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 25, 8:48 pm, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 25, 11:52 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 25, 5:32 am, "gu...(a)hotmail.com" <gu...(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > Some important formulas show it's impossible for cosmic rays to
> > > > produce 10^20 eV.
>
> > > A formula is useless if it "proves" something cannot exist that has
> > > been observed directly to exist.
>
> > #1. That or the observation is incorrect.
>
> It's independently confirmed. What now?
>
>
>
> > #2. A brain is useless is it "proves" it cannot understand what is
> > also written below here@!
>
> > > >..Hawking's formula shows it's impossible for Aunt Al
> > > > & LHC to produce a black hole.
>
> > > > 10^17 eV cosmic ray simulation produces 14 TeV particles.
>
> > > > In pool, a cue ball collision can cause three or more balls to stick
> > > > together as they move forward...thus generating a higher kinetic
> > > > energy. ....but in no way do these 3 pool balls occupy the space thus
> > > > density of one ball, likewise for 10^20 eV to produce a black hole.
>
>

If you're so good to criticize since supposedly you know "better" then
what is the probability of a collision, if a light beam travels for 10
billion years and the density of a vacuum is one proton per m^3.

Luminosity & Collision equation at:

http://www.lhc-closer.es/php/index.php?i=1&s=4&p=9&e=0
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