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From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 22 Mar 2010 19:02
On 22/03/2010 16:37, Jim Thompson wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:03:06 -0500, "amdx"<amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>
>> prostate exams will be available when the government disallows your exam!
>>
>> Thank god I had cancer last year!
>>
>> Heard on the Dennis Miller show.
>> Mike
>>
>
> I had a spike in my PSA test last year, so had the multi-round
> follow-up. Turned out to be a false positive.
>
> The funny part though was the manual exam... sweet young oriental babe
> says, "Drop your pants."
>
> I drop my pants and bend over. She says, "No. Let's do the front
> first."
>
> Panic! Panic! Shrivel :-(
>
> But we _are_ going to be like the UK. Committee approval _will_ be
> required for "procedures".
>
> They'll let us old folks die off.
>
> I'm going to scurry around and get everything fixed before this bill
> kicks in.
>
> Then outlive them :-)
>
> ...Jim Thompson

Yeah... it's so bad over here in the UK that we are only 22nd on the
list of life expectancy. OTOH, the USA is at number 38. despite spending
vastly more than us on medical stuff.

Ever wondered whether you might be doing something wrong, compared with
the UK?

Canada is at 11. France at 10

--
Dirk

http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: John Larkin on 22 Mar 2010 21:19
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:58 +0000, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
<dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote:

>On 22/03/2010 16:37, Jim Thompson wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:03:06 -0500, "amdx"<amdx(a)knology.net> wrote:
>>
>>> prostate exams will be available when the government disallows your exam!
>>>
>>> Thank god I had cancer last year!
>>>
>>> Heard on the Dennis Miller show.
>>> Mike
>>>
>>
>> I had a spike in my PSA test last year, so had the multi-round
>> follow-up. Turned out to be a false positive.
>>
>> The funny part though was the manual exam... sweet young oriental babe
>> says, "Drop your pants."
>>
>> I drop my pants and bend over. She says, "No. Let's do the front
>> first."
>>
>> Panic! Panic! Shrivel :-(
>>
>> But we _are_ going to be like the UK. Committee approval _will_ be
>> required for "procedures".
>>
>> They'll let us old folks die off.
>>
>> I'm going to scurry around and get everything fixed before this bill
>> kicks in.
>>
>> Then outlive them :-)
>>
>> ...Jim Thompson
>
>Yeah... it's so bad over here in the UK that we are only 22nd on the
>list of life expectancy. OTOH, the USA is at number 38. despite spending
>vastly more than us on medical stuff.
>
>Ever wondered whether you might be doing something wrong, compared with
>the UK?
>
>Canada is at 11. France at 10

A big part of the difference is demographics. We have a lot of
immigrants who don't get good medical care. Certain populations,
Africans and Pacific islanders and native Americans for instance, seem
poorly adapted to European diets (lots of meat, wheat, sugar, dairy
products) and get diabetes, heart disease, cancer, high blood
pressure, and such. All that fried food and pizza and ice cream and
bread sure taste good.

Euro-type Americans who have regular access to medical care do quite
well. And Americans who get heart attacks, cancer, acute stuff like
that, do very well by world standards.

The US medical establishment also agressively fights for the lives of
babies born prematurely or with birth defects, and counts those as
deaths if they don't survive. It's very expensive, often hundreds of
thousands of dollars, to save a premature child. And if they do die,
we count them against life expectancy statistics. Many other countries
make no such effort and don't count these as deaths.

John


From: Tim Williams on 22 Mar 2010 23:26
"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
news:tv4gq5tmn5mkkgtbrv1eaes8reamesv8v2(a)4ax.com...
> The US medical establishment also agressively fights for the lives of
> babies born prematurely or with birth defects, and counts those as
> deaths if they don't survive. It's very expensive, often hundreds of
> thousands of dollars, to save a premature child. And if they do die,
> we count them against life expectancy statistics. Many other countries
> make no such effort and don't count these as deaths.

Incidentially, do you have any statistics supporting this oft-cited
statistic? It sounds believable but I wonder how much of an impact it
actually is.

Tim

--
Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk.
Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms


From: krw on 23 Mar 2010 00:21
On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 22:26:18 -0500, "Tim Williams" <tmoranwms(a)charter.net>
wrote:

>"John Larkin" <jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote in message
>news:tv4gq5tmn5mkkgtbrv1eaes8reamesv8v2(a)4ax.com...
>> The US medical establishment also agressively fights for the lives of
>> babies born prematurely or with birth defects, and counts those as
>> deaths if they don't survive. It's very expensive, often hundreds of
>> thousands of dollars, to save a premature child. And if they do die,
>> we count them against life expectancy statistics. Many other countries
>> make no such effort and don't count these as deaths.
>
>Incidentially, do you have any statistics supporting this oft-cited
>statistic? It sounds believable but I wonder how much of an impact it
>actually is.

A zero, or a hundred thousand (of them), makes a big dent in the averages.
From: dagmargoodboat on 23 Mar 2010 00:42
On Mar 22, 8:19 pm, John Larkin
<jjlar...(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 23:02:58 +0000, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax
>
>
>
> <dirk.bru...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 22/03/2010 16:37, Jim Thompson wrote:
> >> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 11:03:06 -0500, "amdx"<a...(a)knology.net>  wrote:
>
> >>> prostate exams will be available when the government disallows your exam!
>
> >>> Thank god I had cancer last year!
>
> >>>    Heard on the Dennis Miller show.
> >>>                       Mike
>
> >> I had a spike in my PSA test last year, so had the multi-round
> >> follow-up.  Turned out to be a false positive.
>
> >> The funny part though was the manual exam... sweet young oriental babe
> >> says, "Drop your pants."
>
> >> I drop my pants and bend over.  She says, "No.  Let's do the front
> >> first."
>
> >> Panic!  Panic!  Shrivel :-(
>
> >> But we _are_ going to be like the UK.  Committee approval _will_ be
> >> required for "procedures".
>
> >> They'll let us old folks die off.
>
> >> I'm going to scurry around and get everything fixed before this bill
> >> kicks in.
>
> >> Then outlive them :-)
>
> >>                                          ...Jim Thompson
>
> >Yeah... it's so bad over here in the UK that we are only 22nd on the
> >list of life expectancy. OTOH, the USA is at number 38. despite spending
> >vastly more than us on medical stuff.
>
> >Ever wondered whether you might be doing something wrong, compared with
> >the UK?
>
> >Canada is at 11. France at 10
>
> A big part of the difference is demographics. We have a lot of
> immigrants who don't get good medical care. Certain populations,
> Africans and Pacific islanders and native Americans for instance, seem
> poorly adapted to European diets (lots of meat, wheat, sugar, dairy
> products) and get diabetes, heart disease, cancer, high blood
> pressure, and such. All that fried food and pizza and ice cream and
> bread sure taste good.
>
> Euro-type Americans who have regular access to medical care do quite
> well. And Americans who get heart attacks, cancer, acute stuff like
> that, do very well by world standards.

Most of our mortality is fat-related, and we've got more fat people.
It has nothing to do with the quality or availability of medical care.

But, even with that, if you eliminate murders (gangs, killing one
another, mostly) and car accidents (Americans can afford more cars,
and to drive them more), Americans outlive Europeans.

--
Cheers,
James Arthur
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