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From: David B. on 21 Jan 2010 15:08 to irritate you? -- -- "Arno" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:7rph4iFc3iU1(a)mid.individual.net... > In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage David B. <mail(a)nomail.net> wrote: >> you don't say > > What is the point of your postings so far? > > Arno > > >> -- > > >> -- >> "Arno" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >> news:7rntsoF5s3U1(a)mid.individual.net... >>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage David B. <mail(a)nomail.net> wrote: >>>> Don't really need it, by the time a PC hits my bench the drive is >>>> usually >>>> to >>>> the point where even the geek squad could tell it's bad. >>> >>> Well, there is "bad" and "bad". Not all storege failures >>> are due to a bad drive. It can also be interface errors, bad >>> mounting, a marginal PSU. And the drive can have bad secotrs, >>> seek problems, can have died from heat, etc. >>> >>> Arno >>> >>>> -- >>> >>> >>>> -- >>>> "Arno" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>>> news:7rmiq8Fo52U3(a)mid.individual.net... >>>>> In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage David B. <mail(a)nomail.net> wrote: >>>>>> A smart report is useless, more often than not when I find a bad hard >>>>>> drive. >>>>>> smart believes there is no problem with the drive, it's unreliable at >>>>>> best. >>>>> >>>>> Nobody said to look at the "smart status", which is pretty useless. >>>>> Hovever the concrete values of the individual SMART attributes are >>>>> not. Seems you are not using 99% of what SMART offers. >>>>> >>>>> Arno >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> "Yousuf Khan" <bbbl67(a)spammenot.yahoo.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:4b55ca94$1(a)news.bnb-lp.com... >>>>>>> Gary wrote: >>>>>>>> What does it usually mean when I run a disk scan for bad sectors on >>>>>>>> c >>>>>>>> drive and the result is "Windows was unable to complete the disk >>>>>>>> scan" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The symptom is a blue screen saying that there is most likely a bad >>>>>>>> piece >>>>>>>> of hardware. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Download the free Everest utilities, from the following website: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.lavalys.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Run the Storage -> SMART report on the appropriate hard drive, and >>>>>>> post >>>>>>> the results to your reply. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yousuf Khan >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: >>>>> arno(a)wagner.name >>>>> GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 >>>>> 1E25 >>>>> 338F >>>>> ---- >>>>> Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: >>> arno(a)wagner.name >>> GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 >>> 338F >>> ---- >>> Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans > > > -- > Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: > arno(a)wagner.name > GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 > 338F > ---- > Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans
From: Arno on 21 Jan 2010 17:54 In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Cronos <cronos(a)sphere.invalid> wrote: > Arno wrote: >> I found both Kafka and Hesse to be exceedingly boring and often >> obvious. Quite a waste of time. Did not try Sartre. > Hesse is considered one of the greatest existential writers ever so > disagree with your comment greatly. I have read almost all of his books. > If you find it boring then it is because you don't have the intellect > for it. Not really. My problem is that I don't like the style and that the ideas were not new to me. So no entertainment value and no insight value, hence boring and a waste of time for me. This is not to imply his writing generally is, just for me it was. Should have qualified that, sorry. >> What it takes is intelligence to recognize it is actually a >> difficult problem (which is rather hard for many people, obviously) >> and experience to give intelligence something to work with. >> Knowledge does not really come into it besides that. otherwise >> you could just read up oh how to do it. > And anyone can read up on how to decipher the SMART data. Doesn't take a > rocket scientist to do that. Actually you cannot read it up. Well, you can, but mostly in the archives of this group, as the actual meaning differs by drive and environmental conditions. The part that takes intelligence is to find out whether the meaning for a similar drive is duplicated or not and how a specific drive behaves. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno(a)wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans
From: Gerry on 21 Jan 2010 18:55 Cronos The version you are referring to is 4, whereas an earlier version still available is Freeware. -- Gerry ~~~~ FCA Stourport, England Enquire, plan and execute ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Cronos wrote: > Gerry wrote: >> Cronos >> >> You were saying -"HDTune is no longer free"? >> http://www.majorgeeks.com/download4130.html >> >> > > I just checked the author's site and it says "free trial" so is still > free but there is a pay for pro version too with advanced features. > Calling it a "trial" threw me off because that implies it is just a > time limited version but in fact it is not and is free forever. He > should change it to read 'Free Version'. > > http://www.hdtune.com/download.html
From: Franc Zabkar on 21 Jan 2010 21:22 On 21 Jan 2010 18:30:49 GMT, Arno <me(a)privacy.net> put finger to keyboard and composed: >Indeed. And so far the only pice of software I know that is halfway >competent in this area. The rest just gives you plain data >without interpretation. IME, some of the worst SMART tools are the ones where the author has offered his own, often incorrect, interpretation without supplying the actual raw data so that we can make our own judgments. For example, the author of HD Tune doesn't appear to understand that raw attribute values are 48-bit numbers rather than 32-bit. HD Tune will therefore sometimes report negative decimal numbers for the "LBAs Read and Written" attributes. PCWizard's author only quotes the lowest 20 bits, and has no idea how Seagate's Seek Error Rate and Raw Read Error Rate numbers are encoded. Therefore a score of 60 for the Seek Error Rate is given a low health assessment whereas in reality it usually reflects error-free performance. Some attribute values make no sense in decimal format. Their true meaning is often only visible when expressed in hexadecimal. - Franc Zabkar -- Please remove one 'i' from my address when replying by email.
From: Arno on 22 Jan 2010 04:43
In comp.sys.ibm.pc.hardware.storage Franc Zabkar <fzabkar(a)iinternode.on.net> wrote: > On 21 Jan 2010 18:30:49 GMT, Arno <me(a)privacy.net> put finger to > keyboard and composed: >>Indeed. And so far the only pice of software I know that is halfway >>competent in this area. The rest just gives you plain data >>without interpretation. > IME, some of the worst SMART tools are the ones where the author has > offered his own, often incorrect, interpretation without supplying the > actual raw data so that we can make our own judgments. True, of course. Wrong interpretations are worse than none at all. > For example, the author of HD Tune doesn't appear to understand that > raw attribute values are 48-bit numbers rather than 32-bit. HD Tune > will therefore sometimes report negative decimal numbers for the "LBAs > Read and Written" attributes. Urgh! > PCWizard's author only quotes the lowest 20 bits, and has no idea how > Seagate's Seek Error Rate and Raw Read Error Rate numbers are encoded. > Therefore a score of 60 for the Seek Error Rate is given a low health > assessment whereas in reality it usually reflects error-free > performance. Well, I think I still do not undertsand the seek error rate attribute, but at least I know that I do not understand it. This will likely cause poeple to toss complety healthy disks. Not good. > Some attribute values make no sense in decimal format. Their true > meaning is often only visible when expressed in hexadecimal. Indeed. Arno -- Arno Wagner, Dr. sc. techn., Dipl. Inform., CISSP -- Email: arno(a)wagner.name GnuPG: ID: 1E25338F FP: 0C30 5782 9D93 F785 E79C 0296 797F 6B50 1E25 338F ---- Cuddly UI's are the manifestation of wishful thinking. -- Dylan Evans |