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From: bobster on 22 Jun 2010 17:00 Bob, You said, "I don't see how it is me making things difficult. What I want to do seems very simple." Yeah, on second thought you're probably right. I have had such good luck with the configuration I described that it seems simple to me but maybe not to everyone. Also, I tend to forget that $100 is a lot of money for some folks. One way to avoid going the external route is to use the 2nd internal HD slot as the clone "target" of the "C" drive. This gives you a very quick, internal recovery from a "C" drive failure or catastrophic "crash" as it contains everything -- your OS, all of your apps, and your personal files and settings. The secret is to have a very reliable clone app and a SATA capable computer. I am not an MVP nor even a techie wannabe but I have played around with versions of Acronis and Ghost and much prefer the simplicity of cloning with a dedicated clone app. Nothing beats having a "hot spare" (internally or externally) at the ready in case of problems, especially when that spare can act as a safe backup as well as provide a disaster recovery function. The disadvantage of most clone apps is that they don't do individual partition backup nor "imaging". Both Acronis and Ghost can do cloning but IMHO it is very klutzy and time-consuming compared to a dedicated cloner. As I stated in my earlier post, I have had good luck with Casper6.0 -- very fast and utterly reliable. And no, I have no affiliation with them. Good luck, Bob. It appears that there are several ways to solve your "simple" problem "Bob Taylor" <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote in message news:u2vad$jELHA.2276(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... bobster wrote: > Bob, > > Maybe I'm missing something here but it looks like you are making a fairly > simple problem way too difficult. You definitely can boot from an > externally mounted HD. What you are missing is that I was told this and have actually tried it, but perhaps you know a way around. If you plug a usb hard drive in and reboot, it does not see the drive until XP has loaded. Too late to boot it. Love to know how to get around that. I don't see how it is me making things difficult. What I want to do seems very simple. Regards, Bob Taylor
From: mm on 22 Jun 2010 23:58 On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:00:24 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote: > >I am not an MVP nor even a techie wannabe Well I know far less than any of you, but I got the impression that an array of two SATA drives, set to keep one identical to the other, is done in order to have an always present backup. A friend gave me a mobo and two SATA drives, but I havent' yet assembled a computer around it. If I eventually do, won't I have my HD backup, like the OP wants?
From: mm on 23 Jun 2010 00:04 On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 10:42:01 -0400, Bob Taylor <nospam(a)nospam.com> wrote: >Paul wrote: >> >> Easeus Partition Master comes in a free version. No idea what feature set. >> >As I mentioned, this will not creat a bootable partition. I have been >assured by the support people that they cannot guarantee the copy will >be bootable. I could assure you that I cannot guarantee that it will be bootable. I don't see why that is so important. They don't want to guarantee something. Lots of people are afraid to offer a guarantee, because people will complain if it doesn't work. So try it and see if it works, and if it does, it won't matter what someone is unwilling to guarantee. BTW, no one here is going to give you a guarantee either. >One can google and finds dozens, maybe hundreds, of programs which >will copy disks, but which one will do what I want, make a bootable xp >partition without reformating the entire target disk? > >I came to this newsgroup hoping you would know what google doesn't. > >> If you're going with a freebie, I recommend doing a backup >> first. All partitioning tools, even Partition Magic, have > >Pardon me! A bootable copy IS a backup. That's the point. > > > I use Partition Magic 7 here, for some of these operations. >As I mentioned, Partition Magic is no longer available. Again, I have >been so assured by support personel. I had the option of buying a >newer version of Partition Magic a few years ago and I much regret not >doing so. > > >Thanks for your input. > >Bob Taylor
From: Paul on 23 Jun 2010 00:37 Daave wrote: > Inline. > > Bob Taylor wrote: >> bobster wrote: >>> Bob, >>> >>> Maybe I'm missing something here but it looks like you are making a >>> fairly simple problem way too difficult. You definitely can boot >>> from an externally mounted HD. > > bobster, often this is not the case!!! > >> What you are missing is that I was told this and have actually tried >> it, but perhaps you know a way around. If you plug a usb hard drive >> in and reboot, it does not see the drive until XP has loaded. Too >> late to boot it. >> >> Love to know how to get around that. > > Bob: > > People have had mixed success with making ordinary USB external hard > drives bootable (it's rarely recommended). The motherboard and BIOS must > support the method and you would need to configure the BIOS correctly. > > The easiest way to do this is to use an eSATA hard drive (of course the > motherboard must support eSATA). > > How about telling us about your hardware? > > I have a bookmark here, to a suggested procedure. http://www.ngine.de/index.jsp?pageid=4176 The main benefit of that article, is it gives some search terms to use, to find other examples. winxp BootBusExtenders HTH, Paul
From: bobster on 23 Jun 2010 02:44
Yes, you will have the major elements to have a "hot spare" backup by having the 2 SATA drives installed in internal HD positions 1 and 2. Drive 2 must be at least as large as drive 1 and be properly formatted. Then all you have to do is clone your position 1 "C" drive to your position 2 drive using a good clone app of which there are several - some even freeware. I know that this results in a bootable hot spare because I have been using this configuration for about 2 years, as well as an externally SATA drive mounted in a VanTec enclosure which is also bootable. I have also tried connecting this externally mounted HD via a USB2 connection and it was bootable also. I prefer to use the SATA3 connection as it seems faster. Again, there are many ways to have a bootable backup but if you already have a proper MOBO and two SATA drives, and get a good clone app, IMHO, nothing could be simpler. "mm" <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:qf1326lbku2dqgavo08149tipmve9mkqka(a)4ax.com... On Tue, 22 Jun 2010 14:00:24 -0700, "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote: > >I am not an MVP nor even a techie wannabe Well I know far less than any of you, but I got the impression that an array of two SATA drives, set to keep one identical to the other, is done in order to have an always present backup. A friend gave me a mobo and two SATA drives, but I havent' yet assembled a computer around it. If I eventually do, won't I have my HD backup, like the OP wants? |