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From: Daave on 24 Jun 2010 14:06 It would be helpful to know the make and model of your motherboard and your BIOS version.(If this information is in another post, I didn't see it.) Cloning a drive and making it a bootable choice in real time is ordinarily an easy task. But if your external eSATA enclosure is hooked up via USB rather than via the SATA connection (which would be the case if your motherboard does not support eSATA), you have a very different situation. Or is your goal disaster recovery without the need for an *instant* boot (this method is preferred by people like day traders who can't afford a wasted second)? If so, creating an image of the drive would serve that purpose because once the image is restored, you will wind up with a bootable drive anyway. bobster wrote: > OOPS, > > Previous post should have read, That quote was from a post by "Paul", > not Paul Taylor > > "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote in message > news:i005j9$tcc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Sorry, Dave, that quote was from a post by Paul Taylor. > > My hardware configuration is described in another post on this topic. > It is an all SATA3 setup including an eSATA external enclosure for a > third drive. > > ================================================= > "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message > news:uPilsu6ELHA.4120(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > bobster wrote: >> Daave, >> >> You said, >> >>> "If you plug a usb hard drive >>> in and reboot, it does not see the drive until XP has loaded. Too >>> late to boot it. > > No, I didn't say that. I said this: > > People have had mixed success with making ordinary USB external hard > drives bootable (it's rarely recommended). The motherboard and BIOS > must support the method and you would need to configure the BIOS > correctly. > > The easiest way to do this is to use an eSATA hard drive (of course > the motherboard must support eSATA). > > How about telling us about your hardware?
From: bobster on 24 Jun 2010 15:05 Daave, My external enclosure is connected via an eSATA cable to the third SATA port of the motherboard in my Dell Inspiron 530 computer (circa (2007). Thus I am able to easily boot from the "C" clone HD in this enclosure. When I first installed this enclosure, I connected it via a USB2 port and was able to clone my "C" drive to it. But in order to use this as a bootable HD, I had to physically remove it and install it into the second internal HD slot. Worked fine but was inconvenient. I finally RTFM and discovered that the extra cable that came with the enclosure was an eSATA cable. After using it to connect to the extra SATA port on my MOBO, I was able to boot directly from the HD in the enclosure -- just like having a third internal HD slot but located externally. In my previous posts I described how I have used this setup for the last 2 years. While it doesn't support an "instant" re- boot, I can re-boot into the external HD or the second internal slot HD in the time it takes for my computer to do a re-boot -- generally under one minute. ======================================================. "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message news:us6uuf8ELHA.2276(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... It would be helpful to know the make and model of your motherboard and your BIOS version.(If this information is in another post, I didn't see it.) Cloning a drive and making it a bootable choice in real time is ordinarily an easy task. But if your external eSATA enclosure is hooked up via USB rather than via the SATA connection (which would be the case if your motherboard does not support eSATA), you have a very different situation. Or is your goal disaster recovery without the need for an *instant* boot (this method is preferred by people like day traders who can't afford a wasted second)? If so, creating an image of the drive would serve that purpose because once the image is restored, you will wind up with a bootable drive anyway. bobster wrote: > OOPS, > > Previous post should have read, That quote was from a post by "Paul", > not Paul Taylor > > "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote in message > news:i005j9$tcc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Sorry, Dave, that quote was from a post by Paul Taylor. > > My hardware configuration is described in another post on this topic. > It is an all SATA3 setup including an eSATA external enclosure for a > third drive. > > ================================================= > "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message > news:uPilsu6ELHA.4120(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > bobster wrote: >> Daave, >> >> You said, >> >>> "If you plug a usb hard drive >>> in and reboot, it does not see the drive until XP has loaded. Too >>> late to boot it. > > No, I didn't say that. I said this: > > People have had mixed success with making ordinary USB external hard > drives bootable (it's rarely recommended). The motherboard and BIOS > must support the method and you would need to configure the BIOS > correctly. > > The easiest way to do this is to use an eSATA hard drive (of course > the motherboard must support eSATA). > > How about telling us about your hardware?
From: bobster on 24 Jun 2010 17:00 Daave, Update on my previous post: Just for kicks I temporarily reconnected my external HD enclosure via a USB2 cable rather than the eSATA cable. The enclosure contained a HD that had previously been cloned from my "C" drive. I started the boot sequence, pressed F12 to get to the boot order in the BIOS and lo and behold, the USB2 connected drive showed up as a bootable option. I selected it, and continued the boot sequence and my computer successfully booted to it. It took a bit longer (~20 additional seconds) to boot when compared to the eSATA connected one, but the point is that it did boot directly from a USB2 connected HD. Surprised me. ====================================================== "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote in message news:i00a9l$j4s$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... Daave, My external enclosure is connected via an eSATA cable to the third SATA port of the motherboard in my Dell Inspiron 530 computer (circa (2007). Thus I am able to easily boot from the "C" clone HD in this enclosure. When I first installed this enclosure, I connected it via a USB2 port and was able to clone my "C" drive to it. But in order to use this as a bootable HD, I had to physically remove it and install it into the second internal HD slot. Worked fine but was inconvenient. I finally RTFM and discovered that the extra cable that came with the enclosure was an eSATA cable. After using it to connect to the extra SATA port on my MOBO, I was able to boot directly from the HD in the enclosure -- just like having a third internal HD slot but located externally. In my previous posts I described how I have used this setup for the last 2 years. While it doesn't support an "instant" re- boot, I can re-boot into the external HD or the second internal slot HD in the time it takes for my computer to do a re-boot -- generally under one minute. ======================================================. "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message news:us6uuf8ELHA.2276(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... It would be helpful to know the make and model of your motherboard and your BIOS version.(If this information is in another post, I didn't see it.) Cloning a drive and making it a bootable choice in real time is ordinarily an easy task. But if your external eSATA enclosure is hooked up via USB rather than via the SATA connection (which would be the case if your motherboard does not support eSATA), you have a very different situation. Or is your goal disaster recovery without the need for an *instant* boot (this method is preferred by people like day traders who can't afford a wasted second)? If so, creating an image of the drive would serve that purpose because once the image is restored, you will wind up with a bootable drive anyway. bobster wrote: > OOPS, > > Previous post should have read, That quote was from a post by "Paul", > not Paul Taylor > > "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote in message > news:i005j9$tcc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Sorry, Dave, that quote was from a post by Paul Taylor. > > My hardware configuration is described in another post on this topic. > It is an all SATA3 setup including an eSATA external enclosure for a > third drive. > > ================================================= > "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message > news:uPilsu6ELHA.4120(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > bobster wrote: >> Daave, >> >> You said, >> >>> "If you plug a usb hard drive >>> in and reboot, it does not see the drive until XP has loaded. Too >>> late to boot it. > > No, I didn't say that. I said this: > > People have had mixed success with making ordinary USB external hard > drives bootable (it's rarely recommended). The motherboard and BIOS > must support the method and you would need to configure the BIOS > correctly. > > The easiest way to do this is to use an eSATA hard drive (of course > the motherboard must support eSATA). > > How about telling us about your hardware?
From: Ken Blake, MVP on 24 Jun 2010 17:50 On Wed, 23 Jun 2010 20:56:02 -0400, mm <NOPSAMmm2005(a)bigfoot.com> wrote: > >We'll see what happens with the newsgroups. I'm spending more time now > >in the web-based Microsoft forums (using the NNTP Bridges), and I'm > >afraid that these newsgroups may gradually peter out. > > I sure hope not. Newsgroups are far more efficient that web forums, > allow easy saving of replies on one's own computers for future > referecne, and work for people with dial-up, just as well as with > highspeed. I'm with you entirely, but I'm still pessimistic. And don't forget that you can use your newsreader with the Microsoft web-based forums and the NNTP bridges. That gets back at least some of the advantages of newsgroups. -- Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: Daave on 24 Jun 2010 20:44
Thanks for the clarification, bobster. Apparntly, I misread your initial post. Did you find an answer to your original question? I've never use it, but I believe Casper can do the type of cloning you are looking to do. And the added bonus is that it also does incremental cloning (another thing Acronis can't do). bobster wrote: > Daave, > > Update on my previous post: > > Just for kicks I temporarily reconnected my external HD enclosure via > a USB2 cable rather than the eSATA cable. The enclosure contained a > HD that had previously been cloned from my "C" drive. I started the > boot sequence, pressed F12 to get to the boot order in the BIOS and > lo and behold, the USB2 connected drive showed up as a bootable > option. I selected it, and continued the boot sequence and my > computer successfully booted to it. It took a bit longer (~20 > additional seconds) to boot when compared to the eSATA connected > one, but the point is that it did boot directly from a USB2 connected > HD. Surprised me. > > ====================================================== > "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote in message > news:i00a9l$j4s$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... > Daave, > > My external enclosure is connected via an eSATA cable to the third > SATA port of the motherboard in my Dell Inspiron 530 computer (circa > (2007). Thus I am able to easily boot from the "C" clone HD in this > enclosure. > > When I first installed this enclosure, I connected it via a USB2 port > and was able to clone my "C" drive to it. But in order to use this > as a bootable HD, I had to physically remove it and install it into > the second internal HD slot. Worked fine but was inconvenient. I > finally RTFM and discovered that the extra cable that came with the > enclosure was an eSATA cable. After using it to connect to the extra > SATA port on my MOBO, I was able to boot directly from the HD in the > enclosure -- just like having a third internal HD slot but located > externally. > > In my previous posts I described how I have used this setup for the > last 2 years. While it doesn't support an "instant" re- boot, I can > re-boot into the external HD or the second internal slot HD in the > time it takes for my computer to do a re-boot -- generally under one > minute. > > ======================================================. > "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message > news:us6uuf8ELHA.2276(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > It would be helpful to know the make and model of your motherboard and > your BIOS version.(If this information is in another post, I didn't > see it.) > > Cloning a drive and making it a bootable choice in real time is > ordinarily an easy task. But if your external eSATA enclosure is > hooked > up via USB rather than via the SATA connection (which would be the > case > if your motherboard does not support eSATA), you have a very different > situation. > > Or is your goal disaster recovery without the need for an *instant* > boot (this method is preferred by people like day traders who can't > afford a wasted second)? If so, creating an image of the drive would > serve that purpose because once the image is restored, you will wind > up with a bootable drive anyway. > > bobster wrote: >> OOPS, >> >> Previous post should have read, That quote was from a post by "Paul", >> not Paul Taylor >> >> "bobster" <fauxie(a)bogus.net> wrote in message >> news:i005j9$tcc$1(a)news.eternal-september.org... >> Sorry, Dave, that quote was from a post by Paul Taylor. >> >> My hardware configuration is described in another post on this topic. >> It is an all SATA3 setup including an eSATA external enclosure for a >> third drive. >> >> ================================================= >> "Daave" <daave(a)example.com> wrote in message >> news:uPilsu6ELHA.4120(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >> bobster wrote: >>> Daave, >>> >>> You said, >>> >>>> "If you plug a usb hard drive >>>> in and reboot, it does not see the drive until XP has loaded. Too >>>> late to boot it. >> >> No, I didn't say that. I said this: >> >> People have had mixed success with making ordinary USB external hard >> drives bootable (it's rarely recommended). The motherboard and BIOS >> must support the method and you would need to configure the BIOS >> correctly. >> >> The easiest way to do this is to use an eSATA hard drive (of course >> the motherboard must support eSATA). >> >> How about telling us about your hardware? |