Climate of suspicion
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From: oriel36 on 24 Jan 2010 02:10 On Jan 24, 6:47 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/24/10 12:39 AM, oriel36 wrote: > > > > > > > > > It is a matter of simple arithmetic when you have a world globe in > > front of you - > > >http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/ee/World_globe.jpg > > > Turn the globe 15 degrees and the equatorial distance will be 1037.5 > > miles of planetary geography,turn it 360 degrees and you get a full > > equatorial circumference of 24,901 miles with each 15 degrees of > > geographical separation equating to 1 hour time difference or 4 > > minutes for each degree of rotation. > > > In 10 years or so,I have yet to see one person in any forum affirm > > this most basic astronomical fact,they actually resent it in their > > quest to maintain the flat Earth reasoning of 'sidereal time',a > > concept which contains no information that the Earth is round,rotating > > and the dimensions which fit rotation at 15 degrees per hour.As > > planetary dynamics is central to distinguishing global climate from > > weather,it is safe to say that people know little about climate or > > even what causes the seasons. > > Do use that globe... it does turn 360°, but is one SIDEREAL day. > You are the only human I know of that can't understand that! The insistence on the 'sidereal time' value is at the epicenter of the climate mess for anybody who can model the dynamic of daily rotation directly from observation and at complete variance with all known historical and technical details which only support rotation at 15 degrees per hour can do just about anything,even model global climate through a minor atmospheric gas . What binds you,Androcles and all the other minions of Newton together is that 'sidereal time' correlation for rotation which was effectively invented by Flamsteed, something akin to believing the Himalayan glaciers will melt in 40 years and then taken as writ.Nobody bothered to check the conclusion of Flamsteed as a proof and that is where I come in - "... our clocks kept so good a correspondence with the Heavens that I doubt it not but they would prove the revolutions of the Earth to be isochronical..." Flamsteed wrote in a letter in 1677 I know you can't express the geographical values in miles at the equator corresponding to 15 degrees/1 hour even though accurate watches are based on rotation of 1037.5 miles per hour diminishing to 800 miles per hour at 60 degree latitude,values that tell you the Earth is round and rotating with specific dimensions attached. When are you going to inform the world that the climate mess is merely a symptom of a much more encompassing catastrophe that originates in the late 17th century when Newton tried to link planetary dynamics with experimental sciences through an elaborate scheme involving the attempt to force orbital motion into right ascension.
From: oriel36 on 24 Jan 2010 02:28 On Jan 24, 7:02 am, "Androcles" <Headmas...(a)Hogwarts.physics_r> wrote: > "oriel36" <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > > news:e2ab1512-49a7-48e4-80ef-b41742232bf6(a)h2g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... > On Jan 24, 1:24 am, "I M @ good guy" <I...(a)good.guy> wrote: > > > I didn't understand a work you said. > > It is a matter of simple arithmetic when you have a world globe in > front of you - > > Turn the globe 15 degrees > > =================================================== > Relative to what, you stupid ignorant cretin? > Haven't you ever seen the Sun cross the sky? > How about the Moon? > You can't turn the Earth 15 degrees relative to both! Cause and effect sunshine - the transition from daylight to darkness at the equator is rapid compared to the twilight transition at 60 degree latitude due to the fact that the Earth is round and rotating.At the latitude of the equator the speed of a location through the circle of illumination is 1037.5 miles per hour generating a rapid transition to darkness while at 60 degrees latitude at Bergen in Norway, the speed is 800 miles per hour and the transition to darkness corresponds to longer twilights at that latitude. Maybe you haven't traveled and are unaware of variations in the length of twilights depending on latitude but the cause is always the same and that means knowing the speeds at different latitudes with the equatorial speed of 1037.5 miles per hour and a full 360 degree rotation in 24 hours corresponding to an equatorial circumference of 24,901.5 miles per hour. Of course you always partially use my quote of Galileo but fail to extend the quote as it applies to yourself when cause and effect and brought before you,Sam and the other empiricists following Newton - "The same thing has struck me even more forcibly than you. I have heard such things put forth as I should blush to repeat--not so much to avoid discrediting their authors (whose names could always be withheld) as to refrain from detracting so greatly from the honor of the human race. In the long run my observations have convinced me that some men, reasoning preposterously, first establish some conclusion In their minds which, either because of its being their own or because of their having received it from some person who has their entire confidence, impresses them so deeply that one finds it impossible ever to get it out of their heads. Such arguments in support of their fixed idea as they hit upon themselves or hear set forth by others, no matter how simple and stupid these may be, gain their instant acceptance and applause. On the other hand whatever is brought forward against it, however ingenious and conclusive, they receive with disdain or with hot rage--if indeed it does not make them ill " Galileo If you are incensed that the proof for rotation of the Earth at 15 degrees per hour using cause and effect based on twilight transitions actually works when geographical distances are taken into consideration then you problem is not with me but with yourself.Any teacher would be delighted to explain this simple cause and effect to students but when you can't get the planetary geometry or geography right then what is the point of it all.
From: Chris.B on 24 Jan 2010 06:28 On Jan 24, 9:07 am, oriel36 <kelleher.ger...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > The proof for daily rotation through 360 degrees is simple and easy to > understand using twilight variations and known latitudinal speeds,the > fact that you can't express these speeds nor the cause and effect is > not my problem but it is everyone else's. Peg leg Kelleher? Or extra leg? Kelleher, in his well-worn vaudeville role as the comic oriel "One Trick" 0.000036%, limps noisily across the boards once more. His cheap plastic skull held aloft despite his "signature" feigned posture of the infamous bell ringer. Cue limelight and theatrical thunder machine! ORIEL: "Alas, poor Newton! I [thought] I knew him well." Derisive laughter explodes spontaneously across the small theatre making the candles flicker eerily. Old "Peg-Leg" ducks just in time as the curtain falls preventing an in- fall of rotting vegetable matter . Boos are heard right across the tiny auditorium despite the best efforts of the theatre organist. :-)
From: Sam Wormley on 24 Jan 2010 10:41 On 1/24/10 1:10 AM, oriel36 wrote: > > The insistence on the 'sidereal time' value is at the epicenter of the > climate mess for anybody who can model the dynamic of daily rotation > directly from observation and at complete variance with all known > historical and technical details which only support rotation at 15 > degrees per hour can do just about anything,even model global climate > through a minor atmospheric gas . > Gerald, a sidereal day is nothing more than one complete rotation of the earth.
From: oriel36 on 24 Jan 2010 10:58
On Jan 24, 3:41 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 1/24/10 1:10 AM, oriel36 wrote: > > > > > The insistence on the 'sidereal time' value is at the epicenter of the > > climate mess for anybody who can model the dynamic of daily rotation > > directly from observation and at complete variance with all known > > historical and technical details which only support rotation at 15 > > degrees per hour can do just about anything,even model global climate > > through a minor atmospheric gas . > > Gerald, a sidereal day is nothing more than one complete rotation > of the earth. That statement has all the substance of telling me the Earth is flat and if you can't provide the rotational speeds per hour at two nominal latitudes,the equator and 60 degrees latitude in order to express cause and effect for latitudinal twilight variations then what do I care if you believe the Earth turns once in 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds.I know exactly why that value is important to followers of Newton and his predictive agenda but it is catastrophic for everyone else,at least those with self-respect. I knew many years ago that people such as yourself ,Androcles and all the other guesswork loving empiricists do share a common ideology which precedes Newton's predictive agenda for once you jump to a conclusion like Flamsteed did with respect to the apparent rotation of the constellations and not have it challenged,the consequences are exceptionally catastrophic.For all the millions of paragraphs written about the current climate mess,it all ends here in observational astronomy where all the trouble began in the late 17th century. To see Newton's agenda dismantled before your eyes must come as a shock but for an astronomer it is such an easy thing to do with modern imaging and don't worry,the usenet is a grapevine of sorts and things are getting done. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROz0-4ymuXQ&feature=related |