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From: Peter Webb on 22 Jul 2010 05:56

"Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.haha(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 19, 6:44 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:14a12e1c-6fa5-4cde-b243-b9744d00449e(a)x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 17, 12:22 pm, "Peter Webb"

___________________________________
>
> > Ummm... I'm the skeptical one. Perhaps because I remember the great
> > global
> > cooling scare of the the 1970s.
>
> As a believer in it, you will no doubt be horrified to learn that the
> "cooling scare of the the 1970s" was cooked up by denialists in 2006?
>
> Yet another scepticism failure on your part.
>
> __________________________________________
>
> http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
>
> You obviously weren't alive back then. It was a cover story in both Time
> and
> Newsweek.

Sorry - "Time and Newsweek"?

Which scientific organisations do they represent, precisely?
And how do two (2) journalists' stories stack up against the 73 peer-
reviewed scientific papers about global warming which were published
in the 1970s?

______________________________________
So you think that Time, Newsweek and many others invented the "near
universal opinion" of climate scientists of the time, and the emphatic
quotes from the NSA and others? Don't you remember all this, or are you too
young? All the scientists were talking about it, and it was all over the
media. Spooky deja-vu.




From: Arthur Brain on 23 Jul 2010 04:10
On Jul 22, 7:56 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e2592804-92fe-4341-9a9d-0150ba214d60(a)q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 19, 6:44 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > "Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:14a12e1c-6fa5-4cde-b243-b9744d00449e(a)x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com....
> > On Jul 17, 12:22 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> ___________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Ummm... I'm the skeptical one. Perhaps because I remember the great
> > > global
> > > cooling scare of the the 1970s.
>
> > As a believer in it, you will no doubt be horrified to learn that the
> > "cooling scare of the the 1970s" was cooked up by denialists in 2006?
>
> > Yet another scepticism failure on your part.
>
> > __________________________________________
>
> >http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
>
> > You obviously weren't alive back then. It was a cover story in both Time
> > and
> > Newsweek.
>
> Sorry - "Time and Newsweek"?
>
> Which scientific organisations do they represent, precisely?
> And how do two (2) journalists' stories stack up against the 73 peer-
> reviewed scientific papers about global warming which were published
> in the 1970s?
>
> ______________________________________
> So you think that Time, Newsweek and many others invented the "near
> universal opinion" of climate scientists of the time,

I have no idea - and even less interest - on what some excitable
journalists may have written.

I *do* know that there were about 14 scientific papers published in
the 70s on the subject of global cooling and 73 published on the
subject of global warming.

Thus I am well informed about the facts of the matter while you scream
off on your nonfactual tangent: the overwhelming majority of
scientists were concerned about Warming.

> and the emphatic
> quotes from the NSA and others? Don't you remember all this, or are you too
> young? All the scientists were talking about it,

Rubbish.

> and it was all over the
> media. Spooky deja-vu.

Spooky self-delusion.

From: Peter Webb on 23 Jul 2010 08:51

"Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.haha(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 22, 7:56 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:e2592804-92fe-4341-9a9d-0150ba214d60(a)q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 19, 6:44 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> <webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > "Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:14a12e1c-6fa5-4cde-b243-b9744d00449e(a)x24g2000pro.googlegroups.com...
> > On Jul 17, 12:22 pm, "Peter Webb"
>
> ___________________________________
>
>
>
>
>
> > > Ummm... I'm the skeptical one. Perhaps because I remember the great
> > > global
> > > cooling scare of the the 1970s.
>
> > As a believer in it, you will no doubt be horrified to learn that the
> > "cooling scare of the the 1970s" was cooked up by denialists in 2006?
>
> > Yet another scepticism failure on your part.
>
> > __________________________________________
>
> >http://www.denisdutton.com/newsweek_coolingworld.pdf
>
> > You obviously weren't alive back then. It was a cover story in both Time
> > and
> > Newsweek.
>
> Sorry - "Time and Newsweek"?
>
> Which scientific organisations do they represent, precisely?
> And how do two (2) journalists' stories stack up against the 73 peer-
> reviewed scientific papers about global warming which were published
> in the 1970s?
>
> ______________________________________
> So you think that Time, Newsweek and many others invented the "near
> universal opinion" of climate scientists of the time,

I have no idea - and even less interest - on what some excitable
journalists may have written.

I *do* know that there were about 14 scientific papers published in
the 70s on the subject of global cooling and 73 published on the
subject of global warming.


Thus I am well informed about the facts of the matter while you scream
off on your nonfactual tangent: the overwhelming majority of
scientists were concerned about Warming.

_________________________________________
OK. Show me how you worked that out. I have supplied documents from the time
which clearly stated that there was "almost unanimous" agreement amongst
climate scientists of the time that the earth was cooling; quotes to that
effect from the NSA and other scientific bodies; evidence that the cooling
climate was extensively coverred in the press, and the testimony of an
eye-witness who was alive at the time and saw this first hand (me). All you
do is "deny" that climate scientists were claiming the earth was cooling and
another ice age was imminent, and for some strange reason you keep denying
it even after I have posted source documents from the time. Yet you don't
claim they are fakes. I guess the Newsweek story from the 1970s is just an
inconvenient truth you choose to ignore.





From: Arthur Brain on 23 Jul 2010 20:46
On Jul 23, 10:51 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:

> _________________________________________
> OK. Show me how you worked that out. I have supplied documents from the time
> which clearly stated that there was  "almost unanimous" agreement amongst
> climate scientists of the time that the earth was cooling; quotes to that
> effect from the NSA and other scientific bodies; evidence that the cooling
> climate was extensively coverred in the press, and the testimony of an
> eye-witness who was alive at the time and saw this first hand (me). All you
> do is "deny" that climate scientists were claiming the earth was cooling and
> another ice age was imminent, and for some strange reason you keep denying
> it even after I have posted source documents from the time. Yet you don't
> claim they are fakes. I guess the Newsweek story from the 1970s is just an
> inconvenient truth you choose to ignore.

You are completely delusional. Two articles in the popular press are
not an indicator of the contemporary scientific consensus on the
issue.

Your "eyewitness testimony" is defectide and unreliable: you haven't
got your understanding from your memory of the 1970s, you have it from
reading a Crichton fiction novel, where this nonsense was first
floated. You are gullible.

Here is an academic paper which has been peer-reviewed and published
in a respected journal and which contains the relevant facts:
http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/pdf/10.1175/2008BAMS2370.1

"There was no scientific consensus in the 1970s that the Earth was
headed into an
imminent ice age. Indeed, the possibility of anthropogenic warming
dominated
the peer-reviewed literature even then."

And it goes on to show that between 1965 and 1979:
- 7 papers were published about Global Cooling
- 44 papers were published about Global Warming.

Nice massive fail for your scepticism, Bill.



From: Peter Webb on 24 Jul 2010 00:05

"Arthur Brain" <arthur.brain.haha(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jul 23, 10:51 pm, "Peter Webb"
<webbfam...(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:

> _________________________________________
> OK. Show me how you worked that out. I have supplied documents from the
> time
> which clearly stated that there was "almost unanimous" agreement amongst
> climate scientists of the time that the earth was cooling; quotes to that
> effect from the NSA and other scientific bodies; evidence that the cooling
> climate was extensively coverred in the press, and the testimony of an
> eye-witness who was alive at the time and saw this first hand (me). All
> you
> do is "deny" that climate scientists were claiming the earth was cooling
> and
> another ice age was imminent, and for some strange reason you keep denying
> it even after I have posted source documents from the time. Yet you don't
> claim they are fakes. I guess the Newsweek story from the 1970s is just an
> inconvenient truth you choose to ignore.

You are completely delusional. Two articles in the popular press are
not an indicator of the contemporary scientific consensus on the
issue.

__________________________________
It wasn't two articles, it was widespread, and the article I did provide (a
cover story for Newsweek, no less) stated that there was a scientific
consensus (more: almost unanimous agreement) and provided direct quotes from
bodies such as the NSA who made strongly worderd statements about the
imminent ice-age. Now, you can claim that the press at the time was lying
.... but you do have to provide some reason why Time, Newsweek, and many,
many other periodicals and news media systematically lied about scientific
opinion on climate change. You also have to explain why the NSA and others
also deliberately lied when they predicted another ice-age - a giant
conspiracy (as you seem to claim the Global Cooling scare of the 1970s was)
requires a giant reason to lie. You have not provided that.



Your "eyewitness testimony" is defectide and unreliable: you haven't
got your understanding from your memory of the 1970s, you have it from
reading a Crichton fiction novel, where this nonsense was first
floated. You are gullible.

________________________________________
Gee, never read a Chricton novel in my life. Another error of fact in what
you wrote; another place where you have "invented" facts to try and bolster
your argument. OTOH, I did read the Newsweek and Time articles and many
other predictions at the time of an ice-age. I also read and believed the
predictions of the NSA that another ice-age was imminent. And I have
provided the source material from the time which quite cleartly talks about
the almost universal scientific opinion that the earth was cooling. Your
response is to claim that all of these people and magazines were lying. For
no apparent reason.





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