Coasties Dropped the Ball Not Demanding A Flow Rate
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From: jimp on 3 Jun 2010 12:11 In sci.physics Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > BP never had to lie. The Coasties somehow let them "merely omit" the > pipe flow rate. > > Something that basic shouldn't fool a middle school student. > > Instead we have all these idiots, some even with college degrees, > trying to calculate flow rate use satellite images and sampling > hundreds of cubic miles of sea water when a dollar store pin wheel > would have been more accurate. > > This nonsense has been going on for 6 weeks. It's time to take BP > over. > > > Bret Cahill Meanwhile in the real and sane world: "Oil company BP has cut a pipe from the leaking Gulf of Mexico oil well, a key step in the latest effort to cap the well, a US official says." "The challenge is now to place a containment cap securely over the cut and stop the oil flow, Adm Allen said." "Meanwhile, BP said it would pay for the construction of six sand barriers off the coast of the US state of Louisiana." http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/10230252.stm No mention of screwing around performing high school science experiments as suggested by USENET kooks. .. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply.
From: Peter on 3 Jun 2010 13:18 On 6/3/2010 12:11 PM, jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > > "Oil company BP has cut a pipe from the leaking Gulf of Mexico oil well, > a key step in the latest effort to cap the well, a US official says." > > "The challenge is now to place a containment cap securely over the cut > and stop the oil flow, Adm Allen said." > Given the high over-pressure of the oil compared with the ambient pressure at that depth, the corrosive chemical properties of the crude oil, and the cold temperature, you have to wonder about the composition of the grommet. That's got to be some super substance to be able to provide a reasonable seal between the newly (but irregularly cut) original pipe and the replacement header they will try to install and not disintegrate before the relief wells are drilled. I'm not optimistic that this will work, but now we've got an increased flow of oil!
From: T. Keating on 3 Jun 2010 14:56 On Wed, 2 Jun 2010 20:27:21 -0700 (PDT), Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> > A pipe gushing oil under water appears clearly on video. BP claims it >> > was able to insert a tube into the pipe to try to draw off some of the >> > oil. Later they were apparently able to dump a few hundred thousand >> > tons of drilling mud into or at least near what they claimed was the >> > pipe. >> >> > If they can insert tubes into the pipe they can insert in-stream probe >> > flow meters -- a simple paddle wheel meter at the exit would be good >> > enough -- get a velocity, estimate the Reynolds number / flow regime >> > and a flow rate. >> >> [snip rest] >> >> BP is a corporate liar. � > >BP never had to lie. The Coasties somehow let them "merely omit" the >pipe flow rate. > >Something that basic shouldn't fool a middle school student. They've known all along how big this mess was going to be.. http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/video_shows_federal_officials.html "Video shows federal officials knew quickly of potential for massive oil flow in Gulf spill" By Ben Raines May 01, 2010, 1:15PM "A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration video, shot as officials coordinated response to the Deepwater Horizon disaster, shows that federal officials almost immediately worried that the oil well could leak up to 110,000 barrels per day, or 4.6 million gallons." http://media.al.com/live/photo/whiteboard-framegrabjpg-29567154713a1149.jpg Note: the estimate on the white board... "64K - 110K BBLS / Day" > >Instead we have all these idiots, some even with college degrees, >trying to calculate flow rate use satellite images and sampling >hundreds of cubic miles of sea water when a dollar store pin wheel >would have been more accurate. > >This nonsense has been going on for 6 weeks. It's time to take BP >over. > > >Bret Cahill > >
From: jmfbahciv on 4 Jun 2010 08:55 jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics Bret Cahill <Bret_E_Cahill(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> BP never had to lie. The Coasties somehow let them "merely omit" the >> pipe flow rate. >> >> Something that basic shouldn't fool a middle school student. >> >> Instead we have all these idiots, some even with college degrees, >> trying to calculate flow rate use satellite images and sampling >> hundreds of cubic miles of sea water when a dollar store pin wheel >> would have been more accurate. >> >> This nonsense has been going on for 6 weeks. It's time to take BP >> over. >> >> >> Bret Cahill > > Meanwhile in the real and sane world: > > "Oil company BP has cut a pipe from the leaking Gulf of Mexico oil well, > a key step in the latest effort to cap the well, a US official says." > > "The challenge is now to place a containment cap securely over the cut > and stop the oil flow, Adm Allen said." > > "Meanwhile, BP said it would pay for the construction of six sand barriers > off the coast of the US state of Louisiana." > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/10230252.stm > > No mention of screwing around performing high school science experiments > as suggested by USENET kooks. What might be the side effects of those sand barriers? If it doesn't let the oil in, they won't let anything else in either, including sea water. /BAH
From: Bret Cahill on 5 Jun 2010 01:45
> >> > A pipe gushing oil under water appears clearly on video. BP claims it > >> > was able to insert a tube into the pipe to try to draw off some of the > >> > oil. Later they were apparently able to dump a few hundred thousand > >> > tons of drilling mud into or at least near what they claimed was the > >> > pipe. > > >> > If they can insert tubes into the pipe they can insert in-stream probe > >> > flow meters -- a simple paddle wheel meter at the exit would be good > >> > enough -- get a velocity, estimate the Reynolds number / flow regime > >> > and a flow rate. > > >> [snip rest] > > >> BP is a corporate liar. > > >BP never had to lie. The Coasties somehow let them "merely omit" the > >pipe flow rate. > > >Something that basic shouldn't fool a middle school student. > > They've known all along how big this mess was going to be.. > > http://blog.al.com/live/2010/05/video_shows_federal_officials.html > "Video shows federal officials knew quickly of potential for massive > oil flow in Gulf spill" > By Ben Raines > May 01, 2010, 1:15PM > > "A National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration video, shot as > officials coordinated response to the Deepwater Horizon disaster, > shows that federal officials almost immediately worried that the oil > well could leak up to 110,000 barrels per day, or 4.6 million > gallons." > > http://media.al.com/live/photo/whiteboard-framegrabjpg-29567154713a11... > > Note: the estimate on the white board... "64K - 110K BBLS / Day" Even _that_ is an order of magnitude closer than BP's nonsense. > >Instead we have all these idiots, some even with college degrees, > >trying to calculate flow rate use satellite images and sampling > >hundreds of cubic miles of sea water when a dollar store pin wheel > >would have been more accurate. > > >This nonsense has been going on for 6 weeks. It's time to take BP > >over. Bret Cahill |