Coasties Dropped the Ball Not Demanding A Flow Rate
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From: Bret Cahill on 5 Jun 2010 01:47 > >> > A pipe gushing oil under water appears clearly on video. BP claims it > >> > was able to insert a tube into the pipe to try to draw off some of the > >> > oil. Later they were apparently able to dump a few hundred thousand > >> > tons of drilling mud into or at least near what they claimed was the > >> > pipe. > > >> > If they can insert tubes into the pipe they can insert in-stream probe > >> > flow meters -- a simple paddle wheel meter at the exit would be good > >> > enough -- get a velocity, estimate the Reynolds number / flow regime > >> > and a flow rate. > > >> [snip rest] > > >> BP is a corporate liar. > > > BP never had to lie. The Coasties somehow let them "merely omit" the > > pipe flow rate. > > > Something that basic shouldn't fool a middle school student. > > > Instead we have all these idiots, some even with college degrees, > > trying to calculate flow rate use satellite images and sampling > > hundreds of cubic miles of sea water when a dollar store pin wheel > > would have been more accurate. > > Why is this number important? Ask all the idiots looking at satellite photos and sampling sea water. > The number doesn't matter. Depends on if you want to plug the leak. Bret Cahill
From: Ala on 5 Jun 2010 08:31 "Bret Cahill" <BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote in message news:19631d57-6b02-41fe-bc8c-aaf005f34da7(a)q39g2000prh.googlegroups.com... >Even _that_ is an order of magnitude closer than BP's nonsense. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/03/us/03nuke.html Aaron M. Sprecher/Bloomberg News The chatter began weeks ago as armchair engineers brainstormed for ways to stop the torrent of oil spilling into the Gulf of Mexico: What about nuking the well? Energy Secretary Steven Chu is not considering a bomb. Decades ago, the Soviet Union reportedly used nuclear blasts to successfully seal off runaway gas wells, inserting a bomb deep underground and letting its fiery heat melt the surrounding rock to shut off the flow. Why not try it here? The idea has gained fans with each failed attempt to stem the leak and each new setback - on Wednesday, the latest rescue effort stalled when a wire saw being used to slice through the riser pipe got stuck.
From: jimp on 5 Jun 2010 11:47
In sci.physics Bret Cahill <BretCahill(a)peoplepc.com> wrote: >> >> > A pipe gushing oil under water appears clearly on video. BP claims it >> >> > was able to insert a tube into the pipe to try to draw off some of the >> >> > oil. Later they were apparently able to dump a few hundred thousand >> >> > tons of drilling mud into or at least near what they claimed was the >> >> > pipe. >> >> >> > If they can insert tubes into the pipe they can insert in-stream probe >> >> > flow meters -- a simple paddle wheel meter at the exit would be good >> >> > enough -- get a velocity, estimate the Reynolds number / flow regime >> >> > and a flow rate. >> >> >> [snip rest] >> >> >> BP is a corporate liar. >> >> > BP never had to lie. The Coasties somehow let them "merely omit" the >> > pipe flow rate. >> >> > Something that basic shouldn't fool a middle school student. >> >> > Instead we have all these idiots, some even with college degrees, >> > trying to calculate flow rate use satellite images and sampling >> > hundreds of cubic miles of sea water when a dollar store pin wheel >> > would have been more accurate. >> >> Why is this number important? > > Ask all the idiots looking at satellite photos and sampling sea water. You mean all the hand wringers whose only job is to generate press releases about how awful the leak is and have nothing to do with actually stopping the leak? >> The number doesn't matter. > > Depends on if you want to plug the leak. Nope, the leak is plugged and without the high school science experiments you seem to think so essential. Further, the leak was plugged by cutting off the bent and broken pipe that you think was so important to characterize. As soon as they cut off that bent and broken pipe, the characteristic of the leak changed so the characteristics of the flow out of the bent and broken pipe are utterly useless. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |