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From: Tamas K Papp on 31 May 2010 15:14 On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:40:54 -0700, RG wrote: > In article <86hphaFolmU1(a)mid.individual.net>, > Tamas K Papp <tkpapp(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:55:54 +0100, Tim Bradshaw wrote: >> >> > You don't get to spend half your life making it work on whatever >> > flaky random crapness using an x86 system involves this week. >> > Strangely, I don't miss that. >> >> That's interesting to hear. I got a new Dell laptop in September. Put >> the latest Ubuntu on a USB stick, and installed it in less than 30 >> minutes. Everything was working fine for the first time (and I had to >> admit, this surprised me quite a bit, I have been using Linux for a >> long time and it wasn't always this nice). >> >> > Because it is a commercial system there is a refreshing absence of >> > whining ideologues[1], though you tend to get a different sort of >> > annoying people[2] to make up for it. >> > >> > Apple seem no more and no less unpleasant than other companies that >> > size (though the recent flash thing gives me pause there). >> >> I had an Apple laptop around 2004-2005. It was still the Power CPU >> series. I bought it in the US, and tried using OS X for about 5 >> months, putting up with every annoying thing (standard Unix and X11 >> tools were tolerated, but not nicely supported, Emacs was either quirky >> X11 or alpha Aquamacs, etc). Then I went to Europe for a few weeks, >> and tried to watch a DVD I rented there. I was told that I can change >> the region setting - but only a total of 5 times. I got very angry >> with Apple then: I paid big bucks for this laptop, and they are telling >> me what I can do with it? Next day, I started running good old Debian >> on it. > > That seems like it's a bit of overkill. > > http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ If I recall correctly, I did get VLC, but it was not working for some reason. I also tried various tools for circumventing the restriction, but could not get them working either (I think that I had a revised firmware or drive, Apple was one step ahead in the game at that point). And more importantly, I was fed up with OS X by that point for various other reasons. But at the moment I booted up Debian from the HD for the first time, I knew I made the right decision. I didn't need to fight the OS any more, everything was just an apt-get away. Tamas
From: Pascal Costanza on 1 Jun 2010 05:13 On 31/05/2010 20:34, Tamas K Papp wrote: > On Mon, 31 May 2010 19:19:17 +0100, Tim Bradshaw wrote: > >> On 2010-05-31 13:48:42 +0100, Tamas K Papp said: >> >>> I got very >>> angry with Apple then: I paid big bucks for this laptop, and they are >>> telling me what I can do with it? >> >> Actually, I think the DVD region people are saying what you can do with >> it. > > My impression is that Apple is chums with these people, so even if > they were asked to do it, I doubt that they protested too loudly. But > my Apple had a lot of silly DRM stuff going on anyway. We can of > course try to blame that on the companies which provided the content, > but I still think that Apple just loves lock-in and complete control. Apple used a DRM method for iTunes in the beginning because that was the only way to get the music industry on board. Later, it was Apple that successfully pushed the music industry to get rid of DRM. Apple makes mistakes, for sure, but the issues with regard to DVD region codes and DRM are not Apple's fault. Pascal -- My website: http://p-cos.net Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/
From: Pascal Costanza on 1 Jun 2010 05:17 On 31/05/2010 21:14, Tamas K Papp wrote: > On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:40:54 -0700, RG wrote: > >> In article<86hphaFolmU1(a)mid.individual.net>, >> Tamas K Papp<tkpapp(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 31 May 2010 11:55:54 +0100, Tim Bradshaw wrote: >>> >>>> You don't get to spend half your life making it work on whatever >>>> flaky random crapness using an x86 system involves this week. >>>> Strangely, I don't miss that. >>> >>> That's interesting to hear. I got a new Dell laptop in September. Put >>> the latest Ubuntu on a USB stick, and installed it in less than 30 >>> minutes. Everything was working fine for the first time (and I had to >>> admit, this surprised me quite a bit, I have been using Linux for a >>> long time and it wasn't always this nice). >>> >>>> Because it is a commercial system there is a refreshing absence of >>>> whining ideologues[1], though you tend to get a different sort of >>>> annoying people[2] to make up for it. >>>> >>>> Apple seem no more and no less unpleasant than other companies that >>>> size (though the recent flash thing gives me pause there). >>> >>> I had an Apple laptop around 2004-2005. It was still the Power CPU >>> series. I bought it in the US, and tried using OS X for about 5 >>> months, putting up with every annoying thing (standard Unix and X11 >>> tools were tolerated, but not nicely supported, Emacs was either quirky >>> X11 or alpha Aquamacs, etc). Then I went to Europe for a few weeks, >>> and tried to watch a DVD I rented there. I was told that I can change >>> the region setting - but only a total of 5 times. I got very angry >>> with Apple then: I paid big bucks for this laptop, and they are telling >>> me what I can do with it? Next day, I started running good old Debian >>> on it. >> >> That seems like it's a bit of overkill. >> >> http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ > > If I recall correctly, I did get VLC, but it was not working for some > reason. I also tried various tools for circumventing the restriction, > but could not get them working either (I think that I had a revised > firmware or drive, Apple was one step ahead in the game at that > point). And more importantly, I was fed up with OS X by that point > for various other reasons. > > But at the moment I booted up Debian from the HD for the first time, I > knew I made the right decision. I didn't need to fight the OS any > more, everything was just an apt-get away. Your story doesn't make sense. Enforcing region codes is either done in software, or in hardware (i.e., the actual DVD player). If it is done in software it can be circumvented, if it is done in hardware, it can't. This is independent of the operating system you use. (I successfully used a way to circumvent region codes on an older Apple laptop using Mac OS X.) By now I don't bother anymore. It's just a nuisance, and not very well thought through by the content providers. My internal DVD drive plays RC 2, and I have an external DVD drive for RC 1. All that region codes do is boosting the sales of DVD drives... ;) Pascal -- My website: http://p-cos.net Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/
From: Pascal J. Bourguignon on 1 Jun 2010 05:33 Pascal Costanza <pc(a)p-cos.net> writes: > By now I don't bother anymore. It's just a nuisance, and not very well > thought through by the content providers. My internal DVD drive plays > RC 2, and I have an external DVD drive for RC 1. All that region codes > do is boosting the sales of DVD drives... ;) And the use of eDonkey. -- __Pascal Bourguignon__ http://www.informatimago.com/
From: Tamas K Papp on 1 Jun 2010 06:46
On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:17:34 +0200, Pascal Costanza wrote: >> If I recall correctly, I did get VLC, but it was not working for some >> reason. I also tried various tools for circumventing the restriction, >> but could not get them working either (I think that I had a revised >> firmware or drive, Apple was one step ahead in the game at that point). >> And more importantly, I was fed up with OS X by that point for various >> other reasons. >> >> But at the moment I booted up Debian from the HD for the first time, I >> knew I made the right decision. I didn't need to fight the OS any >> more, everything was just an apt-get away. > > Your story doesn't make sense. Enforcing region codes is either done in > software, or in hardware (i.e., the actual DVD player). If it is done in > software it can be circumvented, if it is done in hardware, it can't. If only the world was categorizable using these simple dichotomies :-) I think it was "hardware", but the circumvention method was installing a new firmware for the DVD drive. I didn't bother, though. Tamas |