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From: Pascal Costanza on 1 Jun 2010 07:01 On 01/06/2010 11:33, Pascal J. Bourguignon wrote: > Pascal Costanza<pc(a)p-cos.net> writes: >> By now I don't bother anymore. It's just a nuisance, and not very well >> thought through by the content providers. My internal DVD drive plays >> RC 2, and I have an external DVD drive for RC 1. All that region codes >> do is boosting the sales of DVD drives... ;) > > And the use of eDonkey. Buying several DVD drives, one for each region code, is not illegal. This is a stronger argument why region codes are nonsense, stronger than referring to illegal practices. Note that I'm using the terms 'legal' and 'illegal' in a neutral way here, I'm not implying any value judgments here. Pascal -- My website: http://p-cos.net Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/
From: Pascal Costanza on 1 Jun 2010 07:02 On 01/06/2010 12:46, Tamas K Papp wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:17:34 +0200, Pascal Costanza wrote: > >>> If I recall correctly, I did get VLC, but it was not working for some >>> reason. I also tried various tools for circumventing the restriction, >>> but could not get them working either (I think that I had a revised >>> firmware or drive, Apple was one step ahead in the game at that point). >>> And more importantly, I was fed up with OS X by that point for various >>> other reasons. >>> >>> But at the moment I booted up Debian from the HD for the first time, I >>> knew I made the right decision. I didn't need to fight the OS any >>> more, everything was just an apt-get away. >> >> Your story doesn't make sense. Enforcing region codes is either done in >> software, or in hardware (i.e., the actual DVD player). If it is done in >> software it can be circumvented, if it is done in hardware, it can't. > > If only the world was categorizable using these simple dichotomies :-) > > I think it was "hardware", but the circumvention method was installing > a new firmware for the DVD drive. I didn't bother, though. If you didn't bother, this means that switching to Debian couldn't have possibly solved your problem either. Pascal -- My website: http://p-cos.net Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/
From: Espen Vestre on 1 Jun 2010 07:11 Tamas K Papp <tkpapp(a)gmail.com> writes: > I rarely, if ever, touch my Emacs config file these days. Ubuntu > keeps updating the packages whenever new versions come out, but that > doesn't break things. I am not saying that you could not have the > kind of experience you describe, just that mine was/is totally > different. Ubuntu has definitely made using linux for workstations very painless compared to how it used to be (although newer versions seems to have some issues, I tend to be careful with upgrading). Using both Ubuntu and Mac OS X, I'm very happy with both environments. And they're not all that different either, I use the same lisp environment (LispWorks) and I use Emacs and the bash shell a lot on the mac too. The main differences are aestethic and ergonomic: Everything, including LispWorks, looks prettier on the Mac, and the user interface is very consistent. I use Ubuntu for my main workstation at work, and Mac OS X for my laptop (also for Windows, which I run inside VMware Fusion), and also for my private computing needs (e.g. for my photography hobby). -- (espen)
From: Tamas K Papp on 1 Jun 2010 07:40 On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:02:07 +0200, Pascal Costanza wrote: > On 01/06/2010 12:46, Tamas K Papp wrote: >> On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:17:34 +0200, Pascal Costanza wrote: >> >>>> If I recall correctly, I did get VLC, but it was not working for some >>>> reason. I also tried various tools for circumventing the >>>> restriction, but could not get them working either (I think that I >>>> had a revised firmware or drive, Apple was one step ahead in the game >>>> at that point). >>>> And more importantly, I was fed up with OS X by that point for >>>> various >>>> other reasons. >>>> >>>> But at the moment I booted up Debian from the HD for the first time, >>>> I knew I made the right decision. I didn't need to fight the OS any >>>> more, everything was just an apt-get away. >>> >>> Your story doesn't make sense. Enforcing region codes is either done >>> in software, or in hardware (i.e., the actual DVD player). If it is >>> done in software it can be circumvented, if it is done in hardware, it >>> can't. >> >> If only the world was categorizable using these simple dichotomies :-) >> >> I think it was "hardware", but the circumvention method was installing >> a new firmware for the DVD drive. I didn't bother, though. > > If you didn't bother, this means that switching to Debian couldn't have > possibly solved your problem either. You appear to be very quick to jump to conclusions. First, you claim that the story doesn't make sense, then you claim that I could not have solved my problem the way I did. Unfortunately, neither claim is warranted. Switching to Debian and installing the appropriate decoding library did solve my problem. I don't know whether that was because Debian/Linux uses a different decoding mechanism (software instead of hardware?), or whether OS X enforced something which prevented similar software doing the same, but I do not care -- the important thing is that it worked easily in Debian after a few minutes work, and I could not get it to work on OS X, despite asking for advice on several forums and spending quite a few hours on it. Please don't feel that you have to defend Apple/OS X: I am sure that it works fine for you, it just didn't work for me. I understand that it is possible to entertain the notion that this wasn't the fault of Apple. OTOH, I don't think they are very keen on open architectures and relinquishing even a tiny bit of control (the iPhone App Store is a recent example). If you can live with that, that's fine. I can't. Cheers, Tamas
From: Pascal Costanza on 2 Jun 2010 06:43
On 01/06/2010 13:40, Tamas K Papp wrote: > On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 13:02:07 +0200, Pascal Costanza wrote: > >> On 01/06/2010 12:46, Tamas K Papp wrote: >>> On Tue, 01 Jun 2010 11:17:34 +0200, Pascal Costanza wrote: >>> >>>>> If I recall correctly, I did get VLC, but it was not working for some >>>>> reason. I also tried various tools for circumventing the >>>>> restriction, but could not get them working either (I think that I >>>>> had a revised firmware or drive, Apple was one step ahead in the game >>>>> at that point). >>>>> And more importantly, I was fed up with OS X by that point for >>>>> various >>>>> other reasons. >>>>> >>>>> But at the moment I booted up Debian from the HD for the first time, >>>>> I knew I made the right decision. I didn't need to fight the OS any >>>>> more, everything was just an apt-get away. >>>> >>>> Your story doesn't make sense. Enforcing region codes is either done >>>> in software, or in hardware (i.e., the actual DVD player). If it is >>>> done in software it can be circumvented, if it is done in hardware, it >>>> can't. >>> >>> If only the world was categorizable using these simple dichotomies :-) >>> >>> I think it was "hardware", but the circumvention method was installing >>> a new firmware for the DVD drive. I didn't bother, though. >> >> If you didn't bother, this means that switching to Debian couldn't have >> possibly solved your problem either. > > You appear to be very quick to jump to conclusions. First, you claim > that the story doesn't make sense, then you claim that I could not > have solved my problem the way I did. This is actually just one claim. > Unfortunately, neither claim is warranted. > > Switching to Debian and installing the appropriate decoding library > did solve my problem. I don't know whether that was because > Debian/Linux uses a different decoding mechanism (software instead of > hardware?), or whether OS X enforced something which prevented similar > software doing the same, but I do not care -- the important thing is > that it worked easily in Debian after a few minutes work, and I could > not get it to work on OS X, despite asking for advice on several > forums and spending quite a few hours on it. Indeed, I cannot judge how easy it was to achieve in Debian, but I certainly achieved it on OS X. It's true, Apple doesn't have an interest to make this convenient, because it would harm them. > Please don't feel that you have to defend Apple/OS X: I am sure that > it works fine for you, it just didn't work for me. I understand that > it is possible to entertain the notion that this wasn't the fault of > Apple. I'm not defending Apple. For example, the restrictions on what programming language to use for iPhone/iPad applications are plain ridiculous. > OTOH, I don't think they are very keen on open architectures and > relinquishing even a tiny bit of control (the iPhone App Store is a > recent example). If you can live with that, that's fine. I can't. I'm not sure yet what to think about the app store. Apple seems to be successful in (re)establishing business models for content providers, which in principle I think is a good thing. Quality work needs time and skills, and people need to payed for investing time and skills. Apple seems to be pushing too far in some regards, though. I'm not sure what a good balance would be. Pascal -- My website: http://p-cos.net Common Lisp Document Repository: http://cdr.eurolisp.org Closer to MOP & ContextL: http://common-lisp.net/project/closer/ |