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From: Muzaffer Kal on 29 Dec 2009 14:35 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 19:27:46 +0000 (UTC), glen herrmannsfeldt <gah(a)ugcs.caltech.edu> wrote: >As I understand it, digital >logic is being taught with computer simulation and no actual >TTL circuits. The distance between logic simulation to a working ASIC is similar to that of knowing how to ride a bike and piloting a Space Shuttle to LEO. It would be an extremely irresponsible college/university which at least doesn't expose its students to some FPGA boards with buttons/switches and a VGA connector. -- Muzaffer Kal DSPIA INC. ASIC/FPGA Design Services http://www.dspia.com
From: Jerry Avins on 29 Dec 2009 14:37 Randy Yates wrote: > Jerry Avins <jya(a)ieee.org> writes: > >> Randy Yates wrote: >>> Rune Allnor <allnor(a)tele.ntnu.no> writes: >>>> [...] "He who thinks his education has finished is not educated. He >>>> is finished." >>> I have found that education exposes one's own ignorance. >> Isn't that its most important purpose? > > Good question. I think most people hope it prepares them for a > career. What I was trying to say is that you don't know how ignorant you > are until you get illuminated. Exactly. What we wrongly believe we know hurts a lot. When we perceive our ignorance, we can be careful or use the library. > I know I still want to continue to study (e.g., some more math) but it > comes down to time and money. If I won the lottery I'd probably become > a permanent student! If you don't study your surroundings as you walk, you are in danger of stepping into an open manhole. (I repeat: why are manhole covers round?) Jerry -- Engineering is the art of making what you want from things you can get. �����������������������������������������������������������������������
From: Muzaffer Kal on 29 Dec 2009 14:41 On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:37:29 -0500, Jerry Avins <jya(a)ieee.org> wrote: > (I repeat: why are manhole covers round?) Doesn't that question assume all manhole covers are round? There are plenty of mhc which are square or rectangle (and some are hexagonal, star shaped etc.) -- Muzaffer Kal DSPIA INC. ASIC/FPGA Design Services http://www.dspia.com
From: HardySpicer on 29 Dec 2009 14:44 On Dec 29, 8:26 pm, Rune Allnor <all...(a)tele.ntnu.no> wrote: > > Again, *first* earn the privilege; *then* recieve ranks > and titles. Ceremonies are nothing but voodoo and mysticism > that have nothing to do with engineering. > > Rune You are missing the point. A Ph.D means you have particular training in an area of research and that you have contributed to knowledge in that area. It doesn't make you a good engineer and never has done. Should it? no. A Ph.D is scientific training not engineering. There are places that have D.Eng which may be more in line with what industry wants. A D.eng would be like a Ph.D but their is more application to a real engineering problem.Applying advanced knowledge to an engineering problem and making it work. You see engineers are compared with other depts within a Uni and cannot afford to have different rules. A Ph.D is common currency throughout the world. yes they do kick people out. Doesn't happen too often but it does happen. Now I am a bit like you - a reluctant Ph.D. I often wonder if it did me any good at all. Before I was with a company and they told me - sure - go off and do your Ph,D but when you come back don't expect any more pay and you start as a graduate again! That was a long time ago of course. work for the US airforce (maybe army too) and you start with a rank of Major if you have a Ph.D. Hardy
From: Tim Wescott on 29 Dec 2009 15:01
On Tue, 29 Dec 2009 14:37:29 -0500, Jerry Avins wrote: > Randy Yates wrote: >> Jerry Avins <jya(a)ieee.org> writes: >> >>> Randy Yates wrote: >>>> Rune Allnor <allnor(a)tele.ntnu.no> writes: >>>>> [...] "He who thinks his education has finished is not educated. >>>>> He is finished." >>>> I have found that education exposes one's own ignorance. >>> Isn't that its most important purpose? >> >> Good question. I think most people hope it prepares them for a career. >> What I was trying to say is that you don't know how ignorant you are >> until you get illuminated. > > Exactly. What we wrongly believe we know hurts a lot. When we perceive > our ignorance, we can be careful or use the library. > >> I know I still want to continue to study (e.g., some more math) but it >> comes down to time and money. If I won the lottery I'd probably become >> a permanent student! > > If you don't study your surroundings as you walk, you are in danger of > stepping into an open manhole. (I repeat: why are manhole covers round?) Because they're easier to turn out on a lathe, of course! (except for those square dimples -- those are hard). :-) -- www.wescottdesign.com |