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From: RayLopez99 on 8 Jun 2010 05:15 On Jun 8, 10:09 am, The Natural Philosopher <t...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: ne is in fact fictional, and he's just playing the > old 'Bullshit Baffles Brains' game. > > I think its a pathological condition. Ray is not the brightest bulb in > the streetlamp, and he desperately wants to be, but if he can't, making > fools of a lot of smarter people is at least a sop to his ego. Shut up. Nobody cares about your psychobabble and b.s. analysis. Move on and either contribute to this thread or get off it. RL
From: RayLopez99 on 8 Jun 2010 05:33 On Jun 8, 2:12 am, David Brown <david.br...(a)hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote > > > But keep in mind the target user is: > > > 1) a cheapskate. She has a Pentium II (slightly older than 1997, but > > not by much, and with more RAM, I think 512 MB) > > The Pentium II came out in 1997, so it can't be much older than that! > > If you are sure about the 512 MB, then you can install a more complete > distro that is much easier to use than the cut-down memory-limited > distros you have been trying. I would recommend something like Lunbuntu > as a Ubuntu variant with a light desktop, but you will probably find > standard Ubuntu works fine as long as you turn off desktop effects (the > effects look nice, but will be very slow on such a machine). Much easier to use you say--but why bother? Again the target user will simply do two things: turn on the machine (log on, etc) then click on the Firefox icon and surf the net, doing all things she does online. Then she'll shut down the machine. Hopefully, unlike the present setup she has with Windows, she'll not shut down the machine by turning off the power (!), but gracefully. > > You could also try the LXDE version of Linux Mint. The final version > for Mint 9 is not out yet, but the release candidate is probably fine: > > <http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=60> > > Mint is like Ubuntu, but with a bit more pre-installed audio and video > codecs, and a greener theme. She don't need codecs, unless it interferes with online functionality. Can you bank-by-wire (online banking) without codecs? Then she don't need them. Do Google Apps (I don't know if you need anything but Java for this)? Log into Yahoo email? Go to a generic 'coupon clipping' greengrocer site and print coupons for weekly specials? Now once in a while she visits TMZ fan site for celebrity gossip--I guess you would need codecs for that, but frankly, I don't think even the loss of sound is a big deal to this girl. She claims she doesn't need this celebrity gossip (since she gets it on TV anyway). > Other than that, the only difficulty with ADSL is if the ISP is silly > enough to use PPoE or PPoA rather than a straight Ethernet connection. > If that's the case, you need to log into your router's web-based > configuration and enter the username and password from your ISP. The > information you get from your ISP should tell you if you need this or not.. I do recall having to log onto something or another with OTE (the Greek national telephone carrier I'm using now for ADSL). But for now the Asus switch downstream of the Speedtouch ADSL modem is working with the Windows PC transparently. If and when I get the Linux box hooked up, I'll find out. BTW I did learn something from this post of yours--that ADSL is ATM based (did not know that) and about PPoE and PPoA (which simulate dial- up). http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1416 Any other info on ADSL's protocols appreciated...I just read the link above. RL > > Since you have your ADSL router working with windows, you either don't > need such a setup or you have already configured it - but you might have > to be aware of this when setting up a new ADSL modem. > > > Thanks for your help I suppose. If I can get Linux to work I might > > reconsider all the harsh words I've spoken about it (and its users) > > over the years. If. > > > RL
From: The Natural Philosopher on 8 Jun 2010 06:23 RayLopez99 wrote: > On Jun 8, 6:30 am, Nico Kadel-Garcia <nka...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> He went screwing around with the telephone port "modem" settings and >> connections, confused by the name "DSL modem". > > No. You keep saying that, and I let you continue, but let me now set > you straight. That's NOT what happened. YOU, not I, are confused. I > said "modem for DSL" meaning "Damn Small Linux". Not ADSL. My bad. > Then I explained how the Speedtouch ADSL modem may be a 'gateway' > meaning perhaps a router. It's not actually clear what it is now, but > it's a moot point since I have it working with a Asus switch > downstream of it. > >> If it's necessary, there should be a "Makefile" and/or compilation >> instructions to go with that source code file, and installation >> instructions as well. Read those first. > > Your friends here are saying that this is unnecessary--just plug the > card in. Do you disagree? Then it shows either you are wrong or your > friends are wrong. No it shows you are dumb. If its source code there will be a make file. But you should not need source code for a standard driver. It should be there. > > RL >
From: David Brown on 8 Jun 2010 06:49 On 08/06/2010 11:33, RayLopez99 wrote: > On Jun 8, 2:12 am, David Brown > <david.br...(a)hesbynett.removethisbit.no> wrote >> >>> But keep in mind the target user is: >> >>> 1) a cheapskate. She has a Pentium II (slightly older than 1997, but >>> not by much, and with more RAM, I think 512 MB) >> >> The Pentium II came out in 1997, so it can't be much older than that! >> >> If you are sure about the 512 MB, then you can install a more complete >> distro that is much easier to use than the cut-down memory-limited >> distros you have been trying. I would recommend something like Lunbuntu >> as a Ubuntu variant with a light desktop, but you will probably find >> standard Ubuntu works fine as long as you turn off desktop effects (the >> effects look nice, but will be very slow on such a machine). > > Much easier to use you say--but why bother? Again the target user > will simply do two things: turn on the machine (log on, etc) then > click on the Firefox icon and surf the net, doing all things she does > online. Then she'll shut down the machine. Hopefully, unlike the > present setup she has with Windows, she'll not shut down the machine > by turning off the power (!), but gracefully. > You can drive to the supermarket in an old rust-bucket, or you can use a shiny new car. Both will get you there. But if the price is the same, why would you choose the rust-bucket? >> >> You could also try the LXDE version of Linux Mint. The final version >> for Mint 9 is not out yet, but the release candidate is probably fine: >> >> <http://www.linuxmint.com/edition.php?id=60> >> >> Mint is like Ubuntu, but with a bit more pre-installed audio and video >> codecs, and a greener theme. > > She don't need codecs, unless it interferes with online > functionality. Can you bank-by-wire (online banking) without codecs? > Then she don't need them. Do Google Apps (I don't know if you need > anything but Java for this)? Log into Yahoo email? Go to a generic > 'coupon clipping' greengrocer site and print coupons for weekly > specials? Now once in a while she visits TMZ fan site for celebrity > gossip--I guess you would need codecs for that, but frankly, I don't > think even the loss of sound is a big deal to this girl. She claims > she doesn't need this celebrity gossip (since she gets it on TV > anyway). > Mint will make it easier to use Java, Flash, embedded video, etc., in the browser. > >> Other than that, the only difficulty with ADSL is if the ISP is silly >> enough to use PPoE or PPoA rather than a straight Ethernet connection. >> If that's the case, you need to log into your router's web-based >> configuration and enter the username and password from your ISP. The >> information you get from your ISP should tell you if you need this or not. > > I do recall having to log onto something or another with OTE (the > Greek national telephone carrier I'm using now for ADSL). But for now > the Asus switch downstream of the Speedtouch ADSL modem is working > with the Windows PC transparently. If and when I get the Linux box > hooked up, I'll find out. > > BTW I did learn something from this post of yours--that ADSL is ATM > based (did not know that) and about PPoE and PPoA (which simulate dial- > up). http://www.dslreports.com/faq/1416 Any other info on ADSL's > protocols appreciated...I just read the link above. > ADSL is not ATM based. But some ISPs still like to think of the users as though they were dial-up, and thus use PPoE or PPoA encapsulation over the ADSL line. It's a stupid idea that wastes bandwidth (about 10% of the line capacity) and makes configuration and setup inconvenient, but apparently some ISPs like it. Where possible, it is best to pick an ISP that gives you a direct Ethernet connection - then installation really is a no-brainer. > RL > > >> >> Since you have your ADSL router working with windows, you either don't >> need such a setup or you have already configured it - but you might have >> to be aware of this when setting up a new ADSL modem. >> >>> Thanks for your help I suppose. If I can get Linux to work I might >>> reconsider all the harsh words I've spoken about it (and its users) >>> over the years. If. >> >>> RL >
From: Aragorn on 8 Jun 2010 07:03
On Tuesday 08 June 2010 09:09 in comp.os.linux.setup, somebody identifying as The Natural Philosopher wrote... > Nico Kadel-Garcia wrote: >> >> Also note. The "Ethernet card" is a PCI card: I thought Mr. Lopez's >> machine was a laptop? > > I think Mr Lopez machine is in fact fictional, and he's just playing > the old 'Bullshit Baffles Brains' game. > > I think its a pathological condition. Ray is not the brightest bulb in > the streetlamp, and he desperately wants to be, but if he can't, > making fools of a lot of smarter people is at least a sop to his ego. The basic tenet in every Windroid troll post I've seen over the last decade - and not in the very least during my one and a half year or so on comp.os.linux.advocacy - is always the same. It's basically a mental issue that these people have. Let me iterate some of their commonalities, shared by all Windroid trolls - I'm not going to elaborate on MacIntosh trolls, because I've only ever seen one of them (on comp.os.linux.advocacy) and he clearly had a very distorted view of reality. But so these are my findings...: [1] Virtually every Windroid troll is a rightwinged nutcase who, on a regular basis, displays severe racist comments, to varying degrees from derogatory comments towards or about people of different ethnicity (or nationality) to downright support for the Ku Klux Clan. I even distinctly remember one character from my days on comp.os.linux.advocacy - and I even remember his pseudonym - who even went so far as to state that Afro-Americans are not human beings but instead animals - which he referred to as "beasts". [2] Every Windroid troll hates GNU/Linux because it is easier to hate an operating system they feel too stupid to be able to work with than to hate their own stupidity. They are transforming their frustration over being confronted with their own intellectual shortcomings into a channeled hatred towards GNU/Linux, FOSS and the advocates thereof. [3] Every Windroid troll has a large enough ego to not *want* to learn something new when they are confronted with their own ignorance or incompetence and to allow for the projection of this frustration onto GNU/Linux and its advocates, as told in [2]. This is also how they come to be racist: they value their ego more than they value truth or respect. And this is also the very reason why they go ad hominem all the time; they are bullies. They *enjoy* their bullying, and they will even try to find excuses to justify that. [4] A troll who advocates Windows but behaves differently is almost with certainty a paid Microsoft shill. They are far more intelligent and have less ego issues, or at the very least none that would be pertinent - since that is not the reason for their trolling - and they will typically not exhibit racism. They do on the other hand seem to have no problem with doing unethical things for the sake of their paycheck. But then again, this is sadly enough a quite human tendency, and while I will personally always confront such a shill as I absolutely hate dishonesty and manipulation, I suppose that in the long run, we can't really blame these people for doing what they're being told and paid to do. Such is the nature of our society, alas, and especially in these days here it becomes harder and harder for some people to pay the bills at the end of the month. [5] With the exception of a rare few - and I do mean "rare" - almost every thread that either gets crossposted to comp.os.linux.advocacy or branches off from an existing thread there will be a trolling attempt. Many regular posters in the more technical groups will filter out any such threads based upon the newsgroups included in the header. I myself do not apply such a filter yet, because I believe that I have enough "expertise" - let's just call it that here, but I am by no means trying to pretend that I would even *be* an expert - to refute the trollish claims and expose them for what they are. After all, not everyone lurking in the technical groups is an experienced user, both in terms of the GNU/Linux operating system (and FOSS in general) and in terms of trolls and shills. After all, most people do take Wikipedia very seriously, even though - to quote something that I've read here on Usenet in somebody's post - "if it's on Wikipedia, then it means that it's someone's opinion". And I have already read a *lot* of misinformation on Wikipedia, and every once in a while some unadulterated propaganda as well, albeit that this is typically dealed with quite rapidly by the regular Wikipedia contributors for the subject of interest. But what I'm saying is that it's very easy to have people take something for the truth just because it is written on Wikipedia, or in an article such as this one, even if only because Google archives Usenet. Stupidity is a deliberate choice, but /naivité/ is not. Being a high-functioning autistic person myself and personally knowing many high-functioning auties - whether officially diagnosed as such or not - I am *very* familiar with the subject of being "socially naive". (Note: In this matter, autism is actually directly the opposite of schizophrenia, i.e. an autie has difficulty ascertaining whether someone is being truthful or not because that's not how our brain works. We deal with information, regardless of whom that information comes from, not with ego games. We do recognize the difference between "truth" and "opinion", but we have problems with deliberate deceit.) With regard to [2] and [3], it has also come to my attention that statistically, most of these posters are residents of the United States of America. This does in no way mean that there wouldn't be any Windroid trolls anywhere else - trust me, they're there and I have already encountered them - but it's interesting nevertheless, even from the geographical point of view, because many of them seem to originate from the Deep South of the US, a region which is demographically quite known to hold most of the white supremacists and conservatively Christian and Republican population. (I hope I'm not stepping on anybody's toes here - that is not my intention - but I'm just "calling 'em as I see 'em", and the one character I explicitly spoke of in [1] is a resident of the city of Atlanta in the US state of Georgia.) With regard to Microsoft itself as a company and the high-ranking Microsoft staff who make such decisions as the one where they have their subordinates infiltrate GNU/Linux newsgroups (or those that revolve around other non-Microsoft operating systems), there was an interesting recent study a while ago - not necessarily pertaining to Microsoft or any other named business - which discussed that, if a corporation were judged upon its behavior in a court of law in the exact same manner as a human being would be, and with the aid of a psychiatrist to evaluate accountability, then almost invariably all corporations across the world would qualify as psychopaths. (Note for the uninitiated in psychiatry: A psychopath is *not* the same thing as a serial killer, who would typically be a /sociopath/ instead. Psychopaths /may/ however engage in murder - isolated or as a spree - and even acts of mass murder. Most psychopaths exhibit varying degrees of megalomania.) And well, if there is one company that would, as an organization, perfectly match the clinical description of a psychopath, then I think we all know what company that is. That all said, Ray Lopez is of course not a paid Microsoft shill. He's far too ignorant and inexperienced for that. He's the archetypical troll as I've described in [1] through [3], and comp.os.linux.advocacy is swarmed with such characters, some of which may actually be the same person posting under multiple pseudonyms - yes, that is quite common for a number of them, and it even includes using different news gateways and newsreaders. So one /could/ eventually conclude that this kind of trollery as displayed by Ray Lopez, Hadron Quark and their ilk would be pathological, yes. But then again, the behavior they exhibit is just a magnification of similar behavior that is typical for nearly every human being on this planet but simply considered "petty behavior" by the majority, and from the pure criteria of diagnostics, something is normally not considered to be pathological if it's representative for more than half of the species. To give you an example, I am going to return to the subject of autism (which I have already touched upon higher up) here, since I happen to be autistic myself and up until recently - see footnote - I have been an autism acceptance activist, so I'm quite familiar with it. Now, recent genetic studies have prompted several researchers to theorize that autism may actually be the next step in the evolution of the human genome. Yet autism is still considered a "disorder", and thus something of a pathological nature - albeit not psychiatric but rather neurological. (I prefer the word "condition" myself over "disorder".) So is trolling pathological? I don't know, really. Is /bullying/ pathological? Or is it all just the dark side of human nature being more prominently represented in a few individuals? ***** Footnote: "Until recently", because although I still stand by everything I have tried to advocate, there is an incredibly huge amount of bullying towards autism acceptance advocates from the camp of scientifically uninformed people who _believe_ - note: it is their *belief* and not a scientifically verified hypothesis; quite the contrary as it has already been proven false - that autism would be a form of braindamage induced by vaccines - the MMR vaccine, to put a finer point to it. These people actually have their facts backwards, because it is the autism which is already present at birth - and from a lot sooner actually, as it's genetic in nature - which triggers inflammatory reactions to the mercury (and some other agents) in those vaccines, due to the very nature of what autism actually is; it's a basically a pervasive oversensitivity at the neurological level. And the irony here is that while most of the Windroid trolls are rightwinged - as mentioned in [1] - the people who adhere to the "vaccines cause autism"-myth typically come from the leftwinged camp, while those who accept autism are actually found in the more conservative and typically Christianity-inspired corner. (Note: I am not religious - spiritual yes, but any form of organized religion is slavery and I won't be part of that - and my own political orientation would be best described as "somewhat left of center", so I'm definitely not a rightwinger either. Besides, as our society gets more and more complex, both the radical leftwing and radical rightwing respresent deprecated views. But politics is an entirely different thing to discuss, and I've already elaborated on that way too much in this post as it is, so those interested in debating that subject, please tear off the raincheck coupon attached to the bottom of this post. :pp Today it's a very sunny day on this side of the Atlantic anyway. :p) -- *Aragorn* (registered GNU/Linux user #223157) |