Dumbed down consumer electronics: Adding DTV channels
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From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Aug 2010 13:29 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Joel Koltner wrote: > >>>> Hi Joerg, > >>>> > >>>> Joerg wrote: > >>>> ? Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the > >>>> ? marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is. > >>>> > >>>> True... the problem with iBiquity is that the FCC let them have the entire > >>>> market. At least with, e.g., Apple, while they get a cut of every (non-free) > >>>> app that ends up on a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, there are plenty of other GSM > >>>> phones out there. > >>>> > >>>> ? I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it > >>>> ? (Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there. > >>>> > >>>> The car manufacturers have incredibly inflated ideas about how much radios > >>>> ought to cost -- even a simple AM/FM/CD player radio is often ?$200... > >>> > >>> $40 for the radio & $160 for three union members to install it. > >> No, only $20 for the radio. The other $20 is for the retirement fund and > >> the "jobs bank" :-) > > > > > > Did you ever talk to the engineers who designed them? ... > > Yes, but not in the US. I don't think there are any manufacturers left > for car stereos (which is sad). > > > ... Where do you think I got the numbers? > > From GM? :-) GM never made car radios. That was why they bought Delco Electronics in Kokomo, IN. I used to go to the Delco seminars. Even in the early '70s they wanted to make the radio simple to install, but doing so would have eliminated a couple hundred union jobs.
From: Jim Thompson on 12 Aug 2010 13:32 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:26:29 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:09:07 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:41:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> That's pretty poor... Firefox claims _92_ "Radio Broadcast Companies" >> >> >> in Mesa alone... which I doubt... maybe 30 active AM and FM that I can >> >> >> think of. >> >> >> >> >> >> I have Sirius in the Q45, but I do web radio in my office...Roku >> >> >> Soundbridge. >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Here are pictures of some of your local radio stations: >> >> > >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/site-010509.html >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-051125.html >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2009/site-090918.html >> >> >> >> Our house is one additional ridge south of the South Mountain towers, >> >> so I don't have to constantly see the !@#$% blinking lights ;-) >> > >> > >> > Yeah, but you can't see inside the studios from your house. :) >> >> Almost bought a lot on the next ridge north, but checked it out at >> night to see how driving the ridge road in the dark would be. The >> towers were blindingly annoying. > > > Then they aren't tall enough. :) Quite visible when you're on an adjacent hill. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Jim Thompson on 12 Aug 2010 13:36 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:29:03 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Joerg wrote: >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> > Joerg wrote: >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> >>> Joel Koltner wrote: >> >>>> Hi Joerg, >> >>>> >> >>>> Joerg wrote: >> >>>> ? Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the >> >>>> ? marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is. >> >>>> >> >>>> True... the problem with iBiquity is that the FCC let them have the entire >> >>>> market. At least with, e.g., Apple, while they get a cut of every (non-free) >> >>>> app that ends up on a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, there are plenty of other GSM >> >>>> phones out there. >> >>>> >> >>>> ? I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it >> >>>> ? (Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there. >> >>>> >> >>>> The car manufacturers have incredibly inflated ideas about how much radios >> >>>> ought to cost -- even a simple AM/FM/CD player radio is often ?$200... >> >>> >> >>> $40 for the radio & $160 for three union members to install it. >> >> No, only $20 for the radio. The other $20 is for the retirement fund and >> >> the "jobs bank" :-) >> > >> > >> > Did you ever talk to the engineers who designed them? ... >> >> Yes, but not in the US. I don't think there are any manufacturers left >> for car stereos (which is sad). >> >> > ... Where do you think I got the numbers? >> >> From GM? :-) > > > GM never made car radios. That was why they bought Delco Electronics >in Kokomo, IN. I used to go to the Delco seminars. Even in the early >'70s they wanted to make the radio simple to install, but doing so would >have eliminated a couple hundred union jobs. Delco was already a GM division in the early '60's... I used to go there (Kokomo) and to the alternator plant in Anderson, IN, to get my monthly dose of boredom... most exciting place in Anderson was the fire-pit in the lobby of the Holiday Inn ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Aug 2010 13:44 Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:26:29 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:09:07 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:41:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> That's pretty poor... Firefox claims _92_ "Radio Broadcast Companies" > >> >> >> in Mesa alone... which I doubt... maybe 30 active AM and FM that I can > >> >> >> think of. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> I have Sirius in the Q45, but I do web radio in my office...Roku > >> >> >> Soundbridge. > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Here are pictures of some of your local radio stations: > >> >> > > >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/site-010509.html > >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-051125.html > >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2009/site-090918.html > >> >> > >> >> Our house is one additional ridge south of the South Mountain towers, > >> >> so I don't have to constantly see the !@#$% blinking lights ;-) > >> > > >> > > >> > Yeah, but you can't see inside the studios from your house. :) > >> > >> Almost bought a lot on the next ridge north, but checked it out at > >> night to see how driving the ridge road in the dark would be. The > >> towers were blindingly annoying. > > > > > > Then they aren't tall enough. :) > > Quite visible when you're on an adjacent hill. Some of the towers around here stick up through the clouds. :)
From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Aug 2010 13:45
Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:29:03 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >Joerg wrote: > >> > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> > Joerg wrote: > >> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >> >>> Joel Koltner wrote: > >> >>>> Hi Joerg, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Joerg wrote: > >> >>>> ? Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the > >> >>>> ? marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> True... the problem with iBiquity is that the FCC let them have the entire > >> >>>> market. At least with, e.g., Apple, while they get a cut of every (non-free) > >> >>>> app that ends up on a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, there are plenty of other GSM > >> >>>> phones out there. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ? I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it > >> >>>> ? (Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The car manufacturers have incredibly inflated ideas about how much radios > >> >>>> ought to cost -- even a simple AM/FM/CD player radio is often ?$200... > >> >>> > >> >>> $40 for the radio & $160 for three union members to install it. > >> >> No, only $20 for the radio. The other $20 is for the retirement fund and > >> >> the "jobs bank" :-) > >> > > >> > > >> > Did you ever talk to the engineers who designed them? ... > >> > >> Yes, but not in the US. I don't think there are any manufacturers left > >> for car stereos (which is sad). > >> > >> > ... Where do you think I got the numbers? > >> > >> From GM? :-) > > > > > > GM never made car radios. That was why they bought Delco Electronics > >in Kokomo, IN. I used to go to the Delco seminars. Even in the early > >'70s they wanted to make the radio simple to install, but doing so would > >have eliminated a couple hundred union jobs. > > Delco was already a GM division in the early '60's... I used to go > there (Kokomo) and to the alternator plant in Anderson, IN, to get my > monthly dose of boredom... most exciting place in Anderson was the > fire-pit in the lobby of the Holiday Inn ;-) Delco was one of the early radio manufacting companies. Their early radios are very collectable. |