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From: Jim Thompson on 12 Aug 2010 13:52 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:44:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:26:29 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:09:07 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> > >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:41:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> That's pretty poor... Firefox claims _92_ "Radio Broadcast Companies" >> >> >> >> in Mesa alone... which I doubt... maybe 30 active AM and FM that I can >> >> >> >> think of. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I have Sirius in the Q45, but I do web radio in my office...Roku >> >> >> >> Soundbridge. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Here are pictures of some of your local radio stations: >> >> >> > >> >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/site-010509.html >> >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-051125.html >> >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2009/site-090918.html >> >> >> >> >> >> Our house is one additional ridge south of the South Mountain towers, >> >> >> so I don't have to constantly see the !@#$% blinking lights ;-) >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > Yeah, but you can't see inside the studios from your house. :) >> >> >> >> Almost bought a lot on the next ridge north, but checked it out at >> >> night to see how driving the ridge road in the dark would be. The >> >> towers were blindingly annoying. >> > >> > >> > Then they aren't tall enough. :) >> >> Quite visible when you're on an adjacent hill. > > > Some of the towers around here stick up through the clouds. :) But you live in "flat-land". Actually South Mountain is in the clouds one or two days a year when it rains ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Aug 2010 18:01 Jim Thompson wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:44:43 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > > > > >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> > >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 13:26:29 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:09:07 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> > > >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:41:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" > >> >> >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >Jim Thompson wrote: > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> That's pretty poor... Firefox claims _92_ "Radio Broadcast Companies" > >> >> >> >> in Mesa alone... which I doubt... maybe 30 active AM and FM that I can > >> >> >> >> think of. > >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> I have Sirius in the Q45, but I do web radio in my office...Roku > >> >> >> >> Soundbridge. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Here are pictures of some of your local radio stations: > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/site-010509.html > >> >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2005/site-051125.html > >> >> >> >http://www.fybush.com/sites/2009/site-090918.html > >> >> >> > >> >> >> Our house is one additional ridge south of the South Mountain towers, > >> >> >> so I don't have to constantly see the !@#$% blinking lights ;-) > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > Yeah, but you can't see inside the studios from your house. :) > >> >> > >> >> Almost bought a lot on the next ridge north, but checked it out at > >> >> night to see how driving the ridge road in the dark would be. The > >> >> towers were blindingly annoying. > >> > > >> > > >> > Then they aren't tall enough. :) > >> > >> Quite visible when you're on an adjacent hill. > > > > > > Some of the towers around here stick up through the clouds. :) > > But you live in "flat-land". A 1749 foot tower doesn't care. > Actually South Mountain is in the clouds one or two days a year when > it rains ;-) > > ...Jim Thompson > -- > | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | > | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | > | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | > | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | > | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | > | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | > > Spice is like a sports car... > Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Joerg on 12 Aug 2010 18:40 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joerg wrote: >>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:25:19 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>>> [...] >>>> >>>>>>> cost me about $100 long distance for a little less than a MB. Now >>>>>>> that would be a few seconds and included (and would dissapear) in my >>>>>>> monthly. Today, a sloppy webpage will eat up a MB or more, and an >>>>>>> overnight DL would be about 5 GB; over 5 thousand times the data >>>>>>> volume. Just about 20 years difference. >>>>>> In those cases I'd rather send them a SASE envelope, a blank diskette >>>>>> and $20 for the effoert to copy and the walk by the mail room. Then use >>>>>> the remaining $80 for a nice dinner with the wife. >>>>> Probably would have if it was available that way at that time. >>>> What wasn't available? Stamps? Envelopes? Dinner? Wife? Ok then, maybe a >>>> girlfriend? >>>> >>>> Ok, diskettes could be hard to come by but we sometimes used audio >>>> cassettes for data storage. Those were cheap. I believe Commodore called >>>> them datasettes. >>> >>> The 'Datasette' was a modified cassette deck that plugged onto the PC >>> board with a six pin edge connector, not the storage media. >> Yeah, but you know how it goes. People start using a catchy name for the >> media as well. Just like many people say "I made a mess here, do you >> have a Kleenex?" even though Kleenex is the manufacturer and not the >> product name. > > > That may be, but I never saw any 'Compact Cassette' marked Datasette. There were, in Europe. IIRC "data cassette" or something like that. I guess the only reason was to make a buck more on them. Supposedly they were 100% tested for no dropouts in the magnetic layer. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 12 Aug 2010 18:42 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 08:52:36 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jim Thompson wrote: >>> On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:24:30 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>>>>>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Joerg, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Joerg wrote: >>>>>>>> ? Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the >>>>>>>> ? marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> True... the problem with iBiquity is that the FCC let them have the entire >>>>>>>> market. At least with, e.g., Apple, while they get a cut of every (non-free) >>>>>>>> app that ends up on a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, there are plenty of other GSM >>>>>>>> phones out there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ? I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it >>>>>>>> ? (Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The car manufacturers have incredibly inflated ideas about how much radios >>>>>>>> ought to cost -- even a simple AM/FM/CD player radio is often ?$200... >>>>>>> $40 for the radio & $160 for three union members to install it. >>>>>> No, only $20 for the radio. The other $20 is for the retirement fund and >>>>>> the "jobs bank" :-) >>>>> Did you ever talk to the engineers who designed them? ... >>>> Yes, but not in the US. I don't think there are any manufacturers left >>>> for car stereos (which is sad). >>>> >>>> >>>>> ... Where do you think I got the numbers? >>> >From GM? :-) >>> >>> The used to be DELCO _Radio_ Division. I designed chips for them. And >>> Guide Lamp Division... designed a head light dimmer for them. >>> >> One of mine ran on the DELCO process. But that's all gone now. The next >> one will run at X-Fab. > > Yep. Once-upon-a-time Delco had a respectable HV process. > > Almost all of my recent stuff is on X-Fab. Which process? > The XH035 process, 100V. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Aug 2010 18:48
Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joerg wrote: > >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: > >>> Joerg wrote: > >>>> JosephKK wrote: > >>>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:25:19 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > >>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> JosephKK wrote: > >>>> [...] > >>>> > >>>>>>> cost me about $100 long distance for a little less than a MB. Now > >>>>>>> that would be a few seconds and included (and would dissapear) in my > >>>>>>> monthly. Today, a sloppy webpage will eat up a MB or more, and an > >>>>>>> overnight DL would be about 5 GB; over 5 thousand times the data > >>>>>>> volume. Just about 20 years difference. > >>>>>> In those cases I'd rather send them a SASE envelope, a blank diskette > >>>>>> and $20 for the effoert to copy and the walk by the mail room. Then use > >>>>>> the remaining $80 for a nice dinner with the wife. > >>>>> Probably would have if it was available that way at that time. > >>>> What wasn't available? Stamps? Envelopes? Dinner? Wife? Ok then, maybe a > >>>> girlfriend? > >>>> > >>>> Ok, diskettes could be hard to come by but we sometimes used audio > >>>> cassettes for data storage. Those were cheap. I believe Commodore called > >>>> them datasettes. > >>> > >>> The 'Datasette' was a modified cassette deck that plugged onto the PC > >>> board with a six pin edge connector, not the storage media. > >> Yeah, but you know how it goes. People start using a catchy name for the > >> media as well. Just like many people say "I made a mess here, do you > >> have a Kleenex?" even though Kleenex is the manufacturer and not the > >> product name. > > > > > > That may be, but I never saw any 'Compact Cassette' marked Datasette. > > There were, in Europe. IIRC "data cassette" or something like that. I > guess the only reason was to make a buck more on them. Supposedly they > were 100% tested for no dropouts in the magnetic layer. A stronger, thicker backing so it wouldn't stretch like cheap c-120 cassettes. Radio Shack used to sell them. Some were as short as five minutes. |