Dumbed down consumer electronics: Adding DTV channels
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From: Michael A. Terrell on 12 Aug 2010 03:10 Joerg wrote: > > Michael A. Terrell wrote: > > Joel Koltner wrote: > >> Hi Joerg, > >> > >> Joerg wrote: > >> ? Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the > >> ? marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is. > >> > >> True... the problem with iBiquity is that the FCC let them have the entire > >> market. At least with, e.g., Apple, while they get a cut of every (non-free) > >> app that ends up on a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, there are plenty of other GSM > >> phones out there. > >> > >> ? I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it > >> ? (Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there. > >> > >> The car manufacturers have incredibly inflated ideas about how much radios > >> ought to cost -- even a simple AM/FM/CD player radio is often ?$200... > > > > > > $40 for the radio & $160 for three union members to install it. > > No, only $20 for the radio. The other $20 is for the retirement fund and > the "jobs bank" :-) Did you ever talk to the engineers who designed them? Where do you think I got the numbers?
From: Joerg on 12 Aug 2010 10:23 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> JosephKK wrote: >>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:25:19 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> JosephKK wrote: >> [...] >> >>>>> cost me about $100 long distance for a little less than a MB. Now >>>>> that would be a few seconds and included (and would dissapear) in my >>>>> monthly. Today, a sloppy webpage will eat up a MB or more, and an >>>>> overnight DL would be about 5 GB; over 5 thousand times the data >>>>> volume. Just about 20 years difference. >>>> In those cases I'd rather send them a SASE envelope, a blank diskette >>>> and $20 for the effoert to copy and the walk by the mail room. Then use >>>> the remaining $80 for a nice dinner with the wife. >>> Probably would have if it was available that way at that time. >> What wasn't available? Stamps? Envelopes? Dinner? Wife? Ok then, maybe a >> girlfriend? >> >> Ok, diskettes could be hard to come by but we sometimes used audio >> cassettes for data storage. Those were cheap. I believe Commodore called >> them datasettes. > > > The 'Datasette' was a modified cassette deck that plugged onto the PC > board with a six pin edge connector, not the storage media. Yeah, but you know how it goes. People start using a catchy name for the media as well. Just like many people say "I made a mess here, do you have a Kleenex?" even though Kleenex is the manufacturer and not the product name. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 12 Aug 2010 10:24 Michael A. Terrell wrote: > Joerg wrote: >> Michael A. Terrell wrote: >>> Joel Koltner wrote: >>>> Hi Joerg, >>>> >>>> Joerg wrote: >>>> ? Yes, having landed a de-facto monopoly provides a plum position in the >>>> ? marketplace no matter how small that monopoly is. >>>> >>>> True... the problem with iBiquity is that the FCC let them have the entire >>>> market. At least with, e.g., Apple, while they get a cut of every (non-free) >>>> app that ends up on a (non-jailbroken) iPhone, there are plenty of other GSM >>>> phones out there. >>>> >>>> ? I vaguely remember one of the domestic car manufacturers offering it >>>> ? (Polk i-something) but I also remember seeing a $500 price tag there. >>>> >>>> The car manufacturers have incredibly inflated ideas about how much radios >>>> ought to cost -- even a simple AM/FM/CD player radio is often ?$200... >>> >>> $40 for the radio & $160 for three union members to install it. >> No, only $20 for the radio. The other $20 is for the retirement fund and >> the "jobs bank" :-) > > > Did you ever talk to the engineers who designed them? ... Yes, but not in the US. I don't think there are any manufacturers left for car stereos (which is sad). > ... Where do you think I got the numbers? From GM? :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 12 Aug 2010 10:47 On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 03:05:50 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: > >Jim Thompson wrote: >> >> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 05:30:26 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell" >> <mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> > >> >Paul Keinanen wrote: >> >> >> >> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 09:28:58 -0700, Jim Thompson >> >> ?To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com? wrote: >> >> >> >> ?On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 17:48:42 +0300, Paul Keinanen ?keinanen(a)sci.fi? >> >> ?wrote: >> >> >> >> ??Are you really saying that some radio broadcasting companies in the US >> >> ??are still using medium wave AM as their main distribution channel ?? >> >> ? >> >> ?Some? There are probably 10's of thousands of AM stations in the USA. >> >> ?Your country is smaller than many/most of our states, so you don't >> >> ?appreciate the need for "medium wave" to cover large areas. >> >> >> >> Alaska, Texas and California have a larger land area than Finland, as >> >> expected. However, I did not expect Montana to be also slightly >> >> larger. >> >> >> >> FM started here in the early 1950's and only a few people relied on AM >> >> in the 1960's. In the 1990's medium wave AM was used to send news to >> >> Finnish speaking emigrants in Sweden and to the Finnish speaking >> >> minority in NE Russia. >> >> >> >> Since those days, only hobby based low power (0.1 kW) AM transmitters >> >> have been used during some selected weekends, mainly to support >> >> DX-listeners. >> >> >> >> To me, it is a surprise that medium wave AM is still actually used for >> >> commercial broadcasting. >> > >> > >> > Up to 50 KW AM transmitters are quite common. At one time WLW in >> >Cincinnati, Ohio ran 500 KW on 700 KHz. >> >> I vaguely recall multiple WLW's.... >> >> WLW-C, Cincinnati >> >> WLW-T, Toledo >> >> Weren't there others as well? > > > Yes, both radio & TV stations, although the call letters have changed >over the years. WLW-D (Dayton) was WDTN before I left the area. It's >been almost 25 years since I left that area. OTOH, the inside of that >500 kW transmitter was impressive to a 17 year old technician. :) I left the "area" 52 years ago when I trotted off to MIT :-) They were WLW-C, WLW-T, etc., back then. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Spice is like a sports car... Performance only as good as the person behind the wheel.
From: Jim Thompson on 12 Aug 2010 10:48
On Thu, 12 Aug 2010 07:23:02 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Michael A. Terrell wrote: >> Joerg wrote: >>> JosephKK wrote: >>>> On Sun, 08 Aug 2010 07:25:19 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> JosephKK wrote: >>> [...] >>> >>>>>> cost me about $100 long distance for a little less than a MB. Now >>>>>> that would be a few seconds and included (and would dissapear) in my >>>>>> monthly. Today, a sloppy webpage will eat up a MB or more, and an >>>>>> overnight DL would be about 5 GB; over 5 thousand times the data >>>>>> volume. Just about 20 years difference. >>>>> In those cases I'd rather send them a SASE envelope, a blank diskette >>>>> and $20 for the effoert to copy and the walk by the mail room. Then use >>>>> the remaining $80 for a nice dinner with the wife. >>>> Probably would have if it was available that way at that time. >>> What wasn't available? Stamps? Envelopes? Dinner? Wife? Ok then, maybe a >>> girlfriend? >>> >>> Ok, diskettes could be hard to come by but we sometimes used audio >>> cassettes for data storage. Those were cheap. I believe Commodore called >>> them datasettes. >> >> >> The 'Datasette' was a modified cassette deck that plugged onto the PC >> board with a six pin edge connector, not the storage media. > > >Yeah, but you know how it goes. People start using a catchy name for the >media as well. Just like many people say "I made a mess here, do you >have a Kleenex?" even though Kleenex is the manufacturer and not the >product name. And Frigidaire ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Harry Reid says... I don't know how anyone of Hispanic heritage could be a Republican I observe... We don't know how anyone of legitimate parentage can be a Democrat |