EXPERIMENTAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST SPECIAL RELATIVITY?
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From: Sam Wormley on 10 Aug 2008 15:01 Yuancur(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 10, 7:29 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> On Aug 9, 2:07 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >>>> Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>>>> I'm standing on the Earth, how do you measure my acceleration? >>>>> Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > >>>> You said standing on earth, so I know that the earth moon >>>> system is in free fall around the Sun... but I can't see >>>> the sum moon or stars. >>>> I can determine that the earth is rotating... >>>> pendulum >>>> gyroscope >>> The pendulum does what, and how do you know? >> See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum >> > I know how Foucaults pendulum works. > > How do you use it without referencing it to something else? > e.g. some marks on the floor.or wall. Note the swing plane rotates. > > Remember the conditions? > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > > >>>> I can determine tidal flexing caused by at least two >>>> bodies... >>> How do you determine the tidal flexing? >> Scientific GPS Monitoring--assuming you can use GNSS signals. > > > You mean by refrrence to various satellites? > > Remember the conditions? > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > > Love, > > Jenny >
From: Yuancur on 10 Aug 2008 15:06 On Aug 10, 2:01 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > On Aug 10, 7:29 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > >>> The pendulum does what, and how do you know? > >> See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum > > > I know how Foucaults pendulum works. > > > How do you use it without referencing it to something else? > > e.g. some marks on the floor.or wall. > > Note the swing plane rotates. > > With respect to what? Love, Jenny
From: Sam Wormley on 10 Aug 2008 17:44 Yuancur(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 10, 2:01 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: >>> On Aug 10, 7:29 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > >>>>> The pendulum does what, and how do you know? >>>> See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum >>> I know how Foucaults pendulum works. >>> How do you use it without referencing it to something else? >>> e.g. some marks on the floor.or wall. >> Note the swing plane rotates. >> >> > With respect to what? > > Love, > > Jenny The observers reference frame... if you deny that, then you deny any and all observation. Have you learned anything in the thread "Jenny"?
From: Yuancur on 10 Aug 2008 19:00 On Aug 10, 4:44 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > With respect to what? > > The observers reference frame... if you deny that, then you deny > any and all observation. Have you learned anything in the thread > "Jenny"? Now let's sum up the conversation; ____________________________ Jenny's question: Isn't comparison, the very substance of the experiment? How do you measure something without reference to something else? Eric's response: Acceleration is absolute - no reference required. Jenny's response (attempting to draw out the realization that comparison is the very substance of experiment): I'm standing on the Earth, how do you measure my acceleration? Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else Sam: I can determine that the earth is rotating... pendulum _ ________________________________ Notice that all your examples have involved *referencing* things to other things. In this case, my motion to the pendulum's motion. In order to show that comparison is not the very substance of experiment, you have to come up with something other than comparing "me" to "not me". Love, Jenny .
From: Spaceman on 10 Aug 2008 19:13
Yuancur(a)gmail.com wrote: > On Aug 10, 4:44 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: >> Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > >>> With respect to what? >> >> The observers reference frame... if you deny that, then you deny >> any and all observation. Have you learned anything in the thread >> "Jenny"? > > Now let's sum up the conversation; > ____________________________ > Jenny's question: > Isn't comparison, the very substance of the experiment? > How do you measure something without reference to something > else? > > Eric's response: > Acceleration is absolute - no reference required. > > Jenny's response (attempting to draw out the realization that > comparison is the very substance of experiment): > I'm standing on the Earth, how do you measure my acceleration? > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else > > Sam: > I can determine that the earth is rotating... > pendulum _ > ________________________________ > > > Notice that all your examples have involved *referencing* things to > other things. > > In this case, my motion to the pendulum's motion. > > In order to show that comparison is not the very substance of > experiment, you have to come up with something other than comparing > "me" to "not me". Hi Jenny, You are talking to the "relativists" that actualy do not really understand relativity, they merely worship it and have learned all the "catch" phrases such as acceleration is absolute and time is not etc. They have been brainwashed to accept these phrases and can't realize the problems no matter how many times you ask them to say "no reference" they will just twist around the original statement until you get sick of it and they say something else wrong that you will try and get them to realize. You will be in a never ending loop of them ignoring any questions you ask specifically like such. So just remember to have fun, and don't forget to call them Einstein dingleberries once in a while. :) -- James M Driscoll Jr Creator of the Clock Malfunction Theory Spaceman |