EXPERIMENTAL ARGUMENTS AGAINST SPECIAL RELATIVITY?
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From: PD on 13 Aug 2008 13:54 On Aug 13, 12:39 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Aug 11, 4:39 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > On Aug 11, 3:32 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Aug 11, 9:22 am, PD <TheDraperFam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 9, 4:44 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There are > > > > > > > no "rubber rulers" needed to understand my new physics. > > > > > > > And you say THAT as though it were commendable. Are "rubber rulers" > > > > > > complicated? Does this make them Bad? > > > > > > I would love to be beating you over the head with a rubber ruler. But > > > > > you would still be a dunce... > > > > > You didn't answer the question. > > > > > Dear PD: Everyone knows that you are blind, deaf, lacking in touch, > > > taste or smell. Convincing you of anything is a exercise in > > > futility. NoEinstein > > > So rather than defending your position, you are happy just to take a > > potshot and run away? > > > Buc-buc-buc-bucKAWWW!- > > Dear PD: That's how the Americans beat the British in the American > Revolution. You are "wounded". Why don't you fall down? > NoEinstein Whoops. I had no idea I was wounded. Are you sure? Perhaps you missed. Would you like to take aim and try again? I promise not to move. Oh, wait, you must be playing the *children's* version of the game, where you point your finger and say "Bang, you're dead" and then "I shot you. You're dead. Lie down. ....Because I said so, that's why." Sorry! I had no idea you wanted to keep this at the 2nd grade recess level. While you're reloading, could you answer the question you've been ducking? Are "rubber rulers" complicated? Does this make them Bad? PD
From: PD on 13 Aug 2008 13:57 On Aug 13, 12:45 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Aug 11, 4:54 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > Dear PD: Good question! Mass is: "That which can be acted upon by > > > gravity." > > > That's an interesting definition. You do realize, don't you, that this > > is not the definition that physics uses for "mass" at all? > > > > Since gravity is just "flowing ether", > > > Yes, I remember you saying that. You still haven't explained where the > > "flowing ether" that flows into the moon emerges. > > > > then tangles of > > > ether must impede the flow of ether > > > Sorry, this doesn't follow from your own definition. You say mass is > > that which is acted on by gravity, but here you say gravity is that > > which is impeded by mass. Which one is acted on by which? > > > > and thus be subject to a force > > > being applied. The tighter the tangles, the higher the mass. > > > NoEinstein - > > Dear PD: Who gives a damn what "physics" defines. I've proved that > you and all of the Einsteiniacs are screwed up. My definition of mass > is the simple and the true. Forget those outdated textbooks and > encyclopedias! NoEinstein Ah! My mistake! I had no idea you were inventing your own fantasy world where words mean new things (what *you* want them to mean) and where your accomplishments are widely known. But... there is still this part above where what you say is not consistent with *your own* definition. Is it important in your fantasy world that what you say makes sense and is logically consistent, or is it only necessary that they be Simple and True? PD
From: NoEinstein on 13 Aug 2008 14:17 On Aug 11, 5:02 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 11, 3:04 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 10, 12:37 pm, Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > On Aug 10, 7:29 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > > Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Aug 9, 2:07 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > >> Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > >>> I'm standing on the Earth, how do you measure my acceleration? > > > > >>> Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > > > > >> You said standing on earth, so I know that the earth moon > > > > >> system is in free fall around the Sun... but I can't see > > > > >> the sum moon or stars. > > > > > >> I can determine that the earth is rotating... > > > > >> pendulum > > > > >> gyroscope > > > > > > The pendulum does what, and how do you know? > > > > > See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum > > > > I know how Foucaults pendulum works. > > > > How do you use it without referencing it to something else? > > > e.g. some marks on the floor.or wall. > > > > Remember the conditions? > > > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > > > > > >> I can determine tidal flexing caused by at least two > > > > >> bodies... > > > > > > How do you determine the tidal flexing? > > > > > Scientific GPS Monitoring--assuming you can use GNSS signals.. > > > > You mean by refrrence to various satellites? > > > > Remember the conditions? > > > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > > > > Love, > > > > Jenny- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Dear Jenny: My X, Y, Z interferometer can detect the speed and the > > velocity of the Earth without making any OUTSIDE observations. But > > one must make inside observations to count the fringe shifts. > > NoEinstein > > Please post a link to your description of your XYZ interferometer.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Dear PD: How about this? ***The source light is a helium-neon laser. The laser is aimed straight down. A paper target is glued to the front of laser barrel. A precision pin hole lets the light pass through the center of the target. The CONTROL light course reflects from a 70T, 30R perpendicular beam splitter. The 30% reflection from such, if that was the only reflection, would make a uniform illumination of the paper target (without fringes). The TEST light course "transmits" through the beam splitter and hits a 45 degree, first surface, precision mirror located a centimeter or so below the beam splitter. Then, that light travels about 12" to a precision, first surface mirror; back to the 45 degree mirror; and up to the paper target where such light interferes with the (unchanging) light from the CONTROL light course. The total length of the CONTROL light course is about 36". The entire instrument is located on a Lazy Susan, so it can be rotated 360 degrees. The bulls eye fringe pattern is about 3/8" in diameter, with each fringe being about 1/32nd of an inch wide. Because there are so many fringe shifts in 360 degrees, it is difficult to rotate the instrument slow enough to be able to count the fringes. But there are at least five fringe shifts per degree of rotation. The purpose of this $2,000.00 interferometer was simply to prove that the Earth's velocity in the cosmos can be detected via interference. My instrument does so, superbly! Albert Einstein said: "If any Earth mounted experiment can measure the Earth's velocity, my relativity theories will be proved wrong." And I have done just that! NoEinstein
From: PD on 13 Aug 2008 18:54 On Aug 13, 1:17 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Aug 11, 5:02 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 11, 3:04 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > On Aug 10, 12:37 pm, Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > On Aug 10, 7:29 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > > > Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 9, 2:07 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)mchsi.com> wrote: > > > > > >> Yuan...(a)gmail.com wrote: > > > > > > >>> I'm standing on the Earth, how do you measure my acceleration? > > > > > >>> Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else. > > > > > >> You said standing on earth, so I know that the earth moon > > > > > >> system is in free fall around the Sun... but I can't see > > > > > >> the sum moon or stars. > > > > > > >> I can determine that the earth is rotating... > > > > > >> pendulum > > > > > >> gyroscope > > > > > > > The pendulum does what, and how do you know? > > > > > > See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foucault_pendulum > > > > > I know how Foucaults pendulum works. > > > > > How do you use it without referencing it to something else? > > > > e.g. some marks on the floor.or wall. > > > > > Remember the conditions? > > > > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else.. > > > > > > >> I can determine tidal flexing caused by at least two > > > > > >> bodies... > > > > > > > How do you determine the tidal flexing? > > > > > > Scientific GPS Monitoring--assuming you can use GNSS signals. > > > > > You mean by refrrence to various satellites? > > > > > Remember the conditions? > > > > > Remember, you aren't allowed to reference anything to anything else.. > > > > > Love, > > > > > Jenny- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Dear Jenny: My X, Y, Z interferometer can detect the speed and the > > > velocity of the Earth without making any OUTSIDE observations. But > > > one must make inside observations to count the fringe shifts. > > > NoEinstein > > > Please post a link to your description of your XYZ interferometer.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Dear PD: How about this? ***The source light is a helium-neon > laser. The laser is aimed straight down. A paper target is glued to > the front of laser barrel. A precision pin hole lets the light pass > through the center of the target. The CONTROL light course reflects > from a 70T, 30R perpendicular beam splitter. The 30% reflection from > such, if that was the only reflection, would make a uniform > illumination of the paper target (without fringes). > The TEST light course "transmits" through the beam splitter and > hits a 45 degree, first surface, precision mirror located a centimeter > or so below the beam splitter. Then, that light travels about 12" to > a precision, first surface mirror; back to the 45 degree mirror; and > up to the paper target where such light interferes with the > (unchanging) light from the CONTROL light course. The total length of > the CONTROL light course is about 36". The entire instrument is > located on a Lazy Susan, so it can be rotated 360 degrees. > The bulls eye fringe pattern is about 3/8" in diameter, with each > fringe being about 1/32nd of an inch wide. Because there are so many > fringe shifts in 360 degrees, it is difficult to rotate the instrument > slow enough to be able to count the fringes. But there are at least > five fringe shifts per degree of rotation. > The purpose of this $2,000.00 interferometer was simply to prove > that the Earth's velocity in the cosmos can be detected via > interference. My instrument does so, superbly! Albert Einstein > said: "If any Earth mounted experiment can measure the Earth's > velocity, my relativity theories will be proved wrong." And I have > done just that! NoEinstein That's IT?? This is your experimental write-up? Umm.. for starters, what makes you think that the fringe shifts you saw when you rotate the table have anything to do whatsoever with Earth's motion through the aether? PD
From: Jerry on 14 Aug 2008 11:58
On Aug 13, 1:17 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > On Aug 11, 5:02 pm, PD <TheDraperFam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Please post a link to your description of your XYZ interferometer. > > Dear PD: How about this? ***The source light is a helium-neon > laser. The laser is aimed straight down. A paper target is glued to > the front of laser barrel. A precision pin hole lets the light pass > through the center of the target. The CONTROL light course reflects > from a 70T, 30R perpendicular beam splitter. The 30% reflection from > such, if that was the only reflection, would make a uniform > illumination of the paper target (without fringes). > The TEST light course "transmits" through the beam splitter and > hits a 45 degree, first surface, precision mirror located a centimeter > or so below the beam splitter. Then, that light travels about 12" to > a precision, first surface mirror; back to the 45 degree mirror; and > up to the paper target where such light interferes with the > (unchanging) light from the CONTROL light course. The total length of > the CONTROL light course is about 36". The entire instrument is > located on a Lazy Susan, so it can be rotated 360 degrees. > The bulls eye fringe pattern is about 3/8" in diameter, with each > fringe being about 1/32nd of an inch wide. Because there are so many > fringe shifts in 360 degrees, it is difficult to rotate the instrument > slow enough to be able to count the fringes. But there are at least > five fringe shifts per degree of rotation. > The purpose of this $2,000.00 interferometer was simply to prove > that the Earth's velocity in the cosmos can be detected via > interference. My instrument does so, superbly! Albert Einstein > said: "If any Earth mounted experiment can measure the Earth's > velocity, my relativity theories will be proved wrong." And I have > done just that! NoEinstein As described, your apparatus leaves much to be desired. __ || || || laser || || -------- -------- target with pinhole __________________ 70T, 30R beam splitter mirror \ | \ | \ | 45 deg \ | mirror \ | \ | \ | ======================================================== base Lazy Susan 1) What is the material of the base? The slightest warpage of the base as the Lazy Susan turns will change the fringe pattern. It needs to be massive, rigid, and isolated from any stresses transmitted through the Lazy Susan. 2) How accurately vertical is the apparatus? If the apparatus tilts from side to side as the Lazy Susan turns, the fringes will be affected. 3) Have you examined the effects of tilting the apparatus? Try placing the Lazy Susan on a wobbly table and tilt the whole thing slightly. What fringe shifts do you see as a result of the apparatus bending under its own weight? __ || || || laser || || -------- -------- target with pinhole __________________ 70T, 30R beam splitter mirror \ | \ | \ | 45 deg \ | mirror \ | \ | \ | ======================================================== SLAB () THREE POINT FLOATING SUSPENSION () ======================================================== PRECISION ROTATING BASE 4) Lazy Susans that I have seen are not smooth enough in their operation for a precision interferometric experiment. They wobble, and the wobble introduces tilt, and any tilt would cause the entire apparatus to bend and warp. 5) Mount the interferometer on a thick rigid slab, and mount the slab on a three-point floating suspension on a precision rotating base. I suggest using three large steel balls for the three-point suspension, ONLY ONE OF WHICH may be affixed to the rotating base and NOT to the slab. The other two steel balls should roll freely. It is OK if the second ball is confined to a linear track. 6) The axis of the laser must be accurately aligned to within a few micro-radians of vertical, and must remain so throughout the 360 degrees of turn. 7) The power cord to the laser must not be allowed to pull on the apparatus. 8) This may not be practical, given that you are doing a home-brew experiment, but I recommend that you conduct the experiment in vacuum and under precision temperature control. Jerry |