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From: mcsteve on 24 Jan 2008 11:15 "gwatts" ranted: > You guys must find it interesting or fun to watch bands flounder when > you know a little help would go along way. It must be gratifying to > know you're damaging someone's musical career because you're too burnt > out or too elitist > You chose to ignore this: >>"Sometimes, a little diplomacy and >> coaxing is needed." >> I am not a drum tech. If a drum needs to be tuned, I ask the drummer to do it. I will make suggestions as necessary. Conversely, I do not expect band members to ring out the monitors, or set up the mics. I do my job, they do theirs. -- Steve <snip> McQ
From: tbmoas58 on 24 Jan 2008 11:20 "gwatts" <gwatts(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:jF2mj.2659$Sa1.935(a)news02.roc.ny... > mcsteve wrote: >> "gwatts" wrote: >> >>> Ok, Show of hands: >>> How many of you have (re)tuned a kick drum? >>> >> >> Like George said, it's up to the musician to tune >> his own instrument. Would you tune a guitar, if it was >> "out"? No. You mention it to the player, and hope he >> gets it right. Sometimes, a little diplomacy and >> coaxing is needed. > > Sometimes the example by someone who has better experience is what's > needed. I've never just grabbed someone's gear and gone after it, I've > always suggested I be allowed to help and usually my offer is accepted, > especially when the band isn't traveling with instrument techs. More than > once I've helped out with someone's gear and been asked to come along and > help out for a few more gigs, which frequently led to a few more gigs... > > You guys must find it interesting or fun to watch bands flounder when you > know a little help would go along way. It must be gratifying to know > you're damaging someone's musical career because you're too burnt out or > too elitist to spend ten minutes helping someone get what they need that > day. 'hope he gets it right'? You gonna hope he stays in the music > business so you can hope he hires you again, too, or are you gonna give > him a friendly push in the right direction that may pay off when he's > making real money and remembers you as helpful? > >> As far as the variables go and the need to adapt >> micing to get things dialed in.... >> I work at a venue with a house drum kit. So, it is >> often the same kick drum on many nights. Even with >> all the gear being the same (drum, mic, environment, etc) >> a certain amount of flexibility is necessary. Some drummers >> have a heavy foot, others kick like a girl. I've had to suffer some >> really inept drummers who couldn't make a kick drum sound like one if >> their life depended on it. > > And maybe you've figured out that not everything can be fixed by knob > twisting or patching in more gear, or standing around hoping he gets it > right. and maybe someday the snot on your nose will dry son. come back after your 4th birthday, OK, Lil Buddy George
From: gwatts on 24 Jan 2008 11:47 mcsteve wrote: > "gwatts" ranted: > >> You guys must find it interesting or fun to watch bands flounder when >> you know a little help would go along way. It must be gratifying to >> know you're damaging someone's musical career because you're too burnt >> out or too elitist > > > > You chose to ignore this: > >>> "Sometimes, a little diplomacy and >>> coaxing is needed." >>> No I didn't, did you ignore 'suggested I be allowed to help' part? > I am not a drum tech. If a drum needs to be tuned, I ask the > drummer to do it. I will make suggestions as necessary. > Conversely, I do not expect band members to ring out the > monitors, or set up the mics. I do my job, they do theirs. My job, as I see it, is to get the best sound possible and do what needs to be done to get that. I guess I work with the benefit of having been a drum tech, a guitar tech, a bass tech, a keyboard tech, (no brass or reeds, though), the monitor engineer, the system tech, the A1, the production manager, the venue crew chief... and I'm not afraid of using any skill I have to get a better show.
From: gwatts on 24 Jan 2008 11:47 tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com wrote: > ... > > > and maybe someday the snot on your nose will dry son. > come back after your 4th birthday, OK, Lil Buddy > George LOL, I guess that makes you the end-all in live performance production. I won't come back for your benefit, you obviously have nothing to learn from anyone with any experience.
From: tbmoas58 on 24 Jan 2008 12:04
"gwatts" <gwatts(a)frontiernet.net> wrote in message news:Si3mj.2665$Sa1.1496(a)news02.roc.ny... > tbmoas58(a)peoplepc.com wrote: >> ... >> >> >> and maybe someday the snot on your nose will dry son. >> come back after your 4th birthday, OK, Lil Buddy >> George > > LOL, I guess that makes you the end-all in live performance production. > > I won't come back for your benefit, you obviously have nothing to learn > from anyone with any experience. I dont need the experiances you've had I don't swing for that team but as far as being the hot shoe about live sound I am ALL that George |