Energy is a change in state of matter
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From: bert on 4 Aug 2010 13:42 On Aug 4, 10:48 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 10:39 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 3, 5:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.. > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > It's rather sad that Mike Cavedon is so bursting at the seams with > > loneliness that he is willing to talk to himself, but it's a good day > > if he can have a pseudo-physics conversation with a homeless guy in > > Oregon. > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not > then why not? > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > water." > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > diminishes by L/c2." > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > dark matter and matter is energy. > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Way back in 1951 Einstein and I met and talked on gravity and inertia being the same thing. He and I knew nothing about missing gravitation to hold galaxy stars from shooting off into space and distroying a galaxies shape(structure) I think it is safe to say the stars in galaxies had enough gravity to hold their proper distance and they were in lock step to each other. TreBert
From: mpc755 on 4 Aug 2010 20:23 On Aug 4, 1:42 pm, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 10:48 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:39 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 3, 5:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > It's rather sad that Mike Cavedon is so bursting at the seams with > > > loneliness that he is willing to talk to himself, but it's a good day > > > if he can have a pseudo-physics conversation with a homeless guy in > > > Oregon. > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not > > then why not? > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Way back in 1951 Einstein and I met and talked on gravity and inertia > being the same thing. He and I knew nothing about missing gravitation > to hold galaxy stars from shooting off into space and distroying a > galaxies shape(structure) I think it is safe to say the stars in > galaxies had enough gravity to hold their proper distance and they > were in lock step to each other. TreBert 'Ether and the Theory of Relativity - Albert Einstein' http://www.tu-harburg.de/rzt/rzt/it/Ether.html "Think of waves on the surface of water. Here we can describe two entirely different things. Either we may observe how the undulatory surface forming the boundary between water and air alters in the course of time; or else with the help of small floats, for instance we can observe how the position of the separate particles of water alters in the course of time. If the existence of such floats for tracking the motion of the particles of a fluid were a fundamental impossibility in physics if, in fact, nothing else whatever were observable than the shape of the space occupied by the water as it varies in time, we should have no ground for the assumption that water consists of movable particles. But all the same we could characterise it as a medium." Einstein might as well have been discussing dark matter. Dark matter is aether (with mass). "the state of the former is at every place determined by connections with the matter and the state of the ether in neighbouring places, ... disregarding the causes which condition its state." The state of dark matter as determined by its connections with the matter and the state of the dark matter in neighboring places is the dark matter's state of displacement. The cause which conditions its state is its displacement by matter. 'Dark Matter' http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_matter <begin quote> In astronomy and cosmology, dark matter is matter that is inferred to exist from gravitational effects on visible matter and background radiation, but is undetectable by emitted or scattered electromagnetic radiation.[1] Its existence was hypothesized to account for discrepancies between measurements of the mass of galaxies, clusters of galaxies and the entire universe made through dynamical and general relativistic means, and measurements based on the mass of the visible "luminous" matter these objects contain: stars and the gas and dust of the interstellar and intergalactic media. According to observations of structures larger than galaxies, as well as Big Bang cosmology interpreted under the "Friedmann equations" and the "FLRW metric", dark matter accounts for 23% of the mass-energy density of the observable universe, while the ordinary matter accounts for only 4.6% (the remainder is attributed to dark energy).[2] From these figures, dark matter constitutes 80% of the matter in the universe, while ordinary matter makes up only 20%. Dark matter was postulated by Fritz Zwicky in 1934 to account for evidence of "missing mass" in the orbital velocities of galaxies in clusters. Subsequently, other observations have indicated the presence of dark matter in the universe, including the rotational speeds of galaxies, gravitational lensing of background objects by galaxy clusters such as the Bullet Cluster, and the temperature distribution of hot gas in galaxies and clusters of galaxies. <end quote> Evidence of dark matter displacement: 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_feature.html "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the water." The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring dark matter and matter is energy. Mass is conserved.
From: BURT on 5 Aug 2010 15:45 On Aug 4, 10:42 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 10:48 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:39 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 3, 5:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > It's rather sad that Mike Cavedon is so bursting at the seams with > > > loneliness that he is willing to talk to himself, but it's a good day > > > if he can have a pseudo-physics conversation with a homeless guy in > > > Oregon. > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not > > then why not? > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > water." > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Way back in 1951 Einstein and I met and talked on gravity and inertia > being the same thing. He and I knew nothing about missing gravitation > to hold galaxy stars from shooting off into space and distroying a > galaxies shape(structure) I think it is safe to say the stars in > galaxies had enough gravity to hold their proper distance and they > were in lock step to each other. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Why would gravity on the outside in the halo hold energy on the inside of the galaxy? No. You have this backward. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 5 Aug 2010 19:28 On Aug 5, 3:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Aug 4, 10:42 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:48 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 4, 10:39 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 3, 5:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > > It's rather sad that Mike Cavedon is so bursting at the seams with > > > > loneliness that he is willing to talk to himself, but it's a good day > > > > if he can have a pseudo-physics conversation with a homeless guy in > > > > Oregon. > > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not > > > then why not? > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > water." > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter.. > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Way back in 1951 Einstein and I met and talked on gravity and inertia > > being the same thing. He and I knew nothing about missing gravitation > > to hold galaxy stars from shooting off into space and distroying a > > galaxies shape(structure) I think it is safe to say the stars in > > galaxies had enough gravity to hold their proper distance and they > > were in lock step to each other. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Why would gravity on the outside in the halo hold energy on the inside > of the galaxy? No. > > You have this backward. > > Mitch Raemsch Because the dark matter 'on the outside' is displaced by the matter 'on the inside' and the dark matter 'on the outside' is not at rest with displaced. A bowling ball is placed into a tank of water. The water 'on the outside' exerts pressure towards the bowling ball 'on the inside'. How do we know the water 'on the outside' exerts pressure towards the bowling ball 'on the inside'? Because a void does not remain in the water when the bowling ball is removed from the tank. 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' A. EINSTEIN http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass diminishes by L/c2." Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring dark matter and matter is energy. Mass is conserved.
From: BURT on 5 Aug 2010 21:39
On Aug 5, 4:28 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Aug 5, 3:45 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:42 am, bert <herbertglazie...(a)msn.com> wrote: > > > > On Aug 4, 10:48 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Aug 4, 10:39 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 3, 5:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > > > It's rather sad that Mike Cavedon is so bursting at the seams with > > > > > loneliness that he is willing to talk to himself, but it's a good day > > > > > if he can have a pseudo-physics conversation with a homeless guy in > > > > > Oregon. > > > > > You have never answered if the ripple reaches the Earth and if not > > > > then why not? > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter'http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > water." > > > > > The ripple will eventually reach the Earth and this is evidence dark > > > > matter exists from the galaxy cluster to the Earth. This is evidence > > > > dark matter is the medium of space in which light waves propagate. > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > > > > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > > > > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > > > > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > > > > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > > > > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > > > > dark matter and matter is energy. > > > > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Way back in 1951 Einstein and I met and talked on gravity and inertia > > > being the same thing. He and I knew nothing about missing gravitation > > > to hold galaxy stars from shooting off into space and distroying a > > > galaxies shape(structure) I think it is safe to say the stars in > > > galaxies had enough gravity to hold their proper distance and they > > > were in lock step to each other. TreBert- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Why would gravity on the outside in the halo hold energy on the inside > > of the galaxy? No. > > > You have this backward. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Because the dark matter 'on the outside' is displaced by the matter > 'on the inside' and the dark matter 'on the outside' is not at rest > with displaced. > > A bowling ball is placed into a tank of water. The water 'on the > outside' exerts pressure towards the bowling ball 'on the inside'. How > do we know the water 'on the outside' exerts pressure towards the > bowling ball 'on the inside'? Because a void does not remain in the > water when the bowling ball is removed from the tank. > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT?' > A. EINSTEINhttp://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > diminishes by L/c2." > > Dark matter and matter are different states of the same material. The > mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer exists > as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as dark matter. > As matter converts to dark matter it expands in three dimensional > space. The physical effects this transition has on the neighboring > dark matter and matter is energy. > > Mass is conserved.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - If dark matter is more massive it would sink to the center of the galaxy. What you can't get around is that if it exists it would always commingle with regular matter because of their gravity. There is no way that one pushes the other apart. If we have never seen it before then there is a problem. If it makes up most of the mass of the universe we ought to have seen it. There is another explanation to the fast orbiting stars of the outer galaxy that Dark matter is used for. This better explanation will replace our unidentified Dark Matter with magical properties not found in physics. Mitch Raemsch |