Experiment to test mutual time dilation
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From: Michael Moroney on 7 Aug 2010 01:17 kenseto <kenseto(a)erinet.com> writes: >PD never challenge my statement that the GPS sees the SR effect on the >ground clock is 7 us/day running fast....why? Because that would >contradict his statement that mutual time dilation does not apply to >the GPS. No, he doesn't challenge your statement because he keeps telling you that you have to use GR physics, not SR, when dealing with the GPS satellites! Now go back and do the GR math to see how the ground and GPS see each other's clocks, if you want to involve the GPS satellites.
From: Sam Wormley on 7 Aug 2010 09:47 On 8/7/10 8:24 AM, kenseto wrote: > > No he said that mutual time dilation doesn't apply to the GPS because > the GPS does not see the SR effect on the ground clock is ~7us/day > running slow. He tried to avoid the fact that the GPS sees the SR > effect on the ground clock as 7 us/day running fast so he said the GR > must be used for such calculations. > > Ken Seto For whatever reason, Seto, you have a lot of trouble comprehending what knowledgeable people are trying to tell you. To calculate time dilation in satellite clocks requires general relativity, because differential gravitation is the major contributor. You cannot ignore the tool necessary for those calculations. Read and understand: Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.html
From: kenseto on 7 Aug 2010 13:51 On Aug 7, 9:47 am, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/7/10 8:24 AM, kenseto wrote: > > > > > No he said that mutual time dilation doesn't apply to the GPS because > > the GPS does not see the SR effect on the ground clock is ~7us/day > > running slow. He tried to avoid the fact that the GPS sees the SR > > effect on the ground clock as 7 us/day running fast so he said the GR > > must be used for such calculations. > > > Ken Seto > > For whatever reason, Seto, you have a lot of trouble comprehending > what knowledgeable people are trying to tell you. To calculate time > dilation in satellite clocks requires general relativity, Hey idiot we are talking about the SR effect only. You are so stupid. Ken Seto > because > differential gravitation is the major contributor. You cannot ignore > the tool necessary for those calculations. > > Read and understand: Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks > > http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.....
From: Sam Wormley on 7 Aug 2010 14:32 On 8/7/10 12:51 PM, kenseto wrote: > On Aug 7, 9:47 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 8/7/10 8:24 AM, kenseto wrote: >> >> >> >>> No he said that mutual time dilation doesn't apply to the GPS because >>> the GPS does not see the SR effect on the ground clock is ~7us/day >>> running slow. He tried to avoid the fact that the GPS sees the SR >>> effect on the ground clock as 7 us/day running fast so he said the GR >>> must be used for such calculations. >> >>> Ken Seto >> >> For whatever reason, Seto, you have a lot of trouble comprehending >> what knowledgeable people are trying to tell you. To calculate time >> dilation in satellite clocks requires general relativity, > > Hey idiot we are talking about the SR effect only. You are so stupid. There is NO SR effect only... don't be so stooopid! Time dilation is satellite clocks requires general relativity. Don't be so stooopid. Seto! > > Ken Seto > > >> because >> differential gravitation is the major contributor. You cannot ignore >> the tool necessary for those calculations. >> >> Read and understand: Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks >> >> http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5.... >
From: kenseto on 8 Aug 2010 08:38
On Aug 7, 2:32 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8/7/10 12:51 PM, kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > On Aug 7, 9:47 am, Sam Wormley<sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> On 8/7/10 8:24 AM, kenseto wrote: > > >>> No he said that mutual time dilation doesn't apply to the GPS because > >>> the GPS does not see the SR effect on the ground clock is ~7us/day > >>> running slow. He tried to avoid the fact that the GPS sees the SR > >>> effect on the ground clock as 7 us/day running fast so he said the GR > >>> must be used for such calculations. > > >>> Ken Seto > > >> For whatever reason, Seto, you have a lot of trouble comprehending > >> what knowledgeable people are trying to tell you. To calculate time > >> dilation in satellite clocks requires general relativity, > > > Hey idiot we are talking about the SR effect only. You are so stupid. > > There is NO SR effect only... don't be so stooopid! Hey idiot...the SR effect uses the SR math to do calculations. The gravitational effect uses separate equation to do calculations. The total GR effect is the combination of the two as follows: Gravitational effect on the GPS=45 us/day running fast. SR effect on the GPS 7 us/day running slow. Total GR effect=45-7=38 us/day running fast. You are so stupid. >Time dilation > is satellite clocks requires general relativity. Don't be so stooopid. > Seto! > > > > > > > Ken Seto > > >> because > >> differential gravitation is the major contributor. You cannot ignore > >> the tool necessary for those calculations. > > >> Read and understand: Relativistic Effects on Satellite Clocks > > >>http://relativity.livingreviews.org/open?pubNo=lrr-2003-1&page=node5....- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - |