Extensions for non-XP VMs in Win7
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From: Robert Comer on 10 Feb 2010 07:34 >True. But *if* you're already using VMWare workstation for any of it's >multitude of features that Microsoft doesn't compete with, I can't >imagine why you'd also run VPC2007. VPC2007 is lighter on the host and the UI is more straightforward, so I'd do the same thing. (and did before WVPC came out). >WVPC brings a few things to the table, application virtualization mode >being a prime example (VMWare has similar, called "Unity" but it's >painfully slow) They have to rethink Unity, it's not very useful as is. Unity can't really be compared to XP Mode, they tried to cram too much into Unity making it more confusing to run and slower performance-wise. -- Bob Comer On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 20:02:43 -0800, Dave Warren <dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: >In message <tb93n5peh3a9hedtbfsk1k7ktia7v51h9q(a)4ax.com> "Steve Jain >[MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> was claimed to have wrote: > >>On Mon, 08 Feb 2010 09:45:13 -0800, Dave Warren >><dave-usenet(a)djwcomputers.com> wrote: >> >>>In message <O6ym4DMqKHA.5840(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl> David Wilkinson >>><no-reply(a)effisols.com> was claimed to have wrote: >>> >>>>Dave Warren wrote: >>>>> In message <39FAA913-E15F-489F-904F-C09D1C75D503(a)microsoft.com> "senn" >>>>> <senn(a)homeplace&.fix> was claimed to have wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> If the user have a vacant XP license to install in a VPC2007. >>>>> >>>>> If you don't already have one, start shopping, they can still be found >>>>> and you'll need it whether you use Virtual PC 2007, VMWare, or something >>>>> else entirely. >>>> >>>>The licensed XP mode virtual machine runs in VMWare Workstation 7 or VMWare >>>>Reader 3, and you can run VPC2007 at the same time. >>>> >>>>A much better solution than WVPC in my opinion. >>> >>>I can't see the point of VMWare Workstation and VPC2007 at the same >>>time. VMWare does everything VPC and WVPC does and more except for >>>Unity mode which is painfully slow on VMWare vs WVPC in "Application >>>Virtualization" mode. >> >>VMWare Workstation is not free, big difference. Not everyone needs a >>500MB VM package. > >True. But *if* you're already using VMWare workstation for any of it's >multitude of features that Microsoft doesn't compete with, I can't >imagine why you'd also run VPC2007. > >WVPC brings a few things to the table, application virtualization mode >being a prime example (VMWare has similar, called "Unity" but it's >painfully slow)
From: Robert Comer on 10 Feb 2010 07:37 >I agree that Unity is very very slow, and I would have been interested to try >the corresponding feature in WVPC, but my current machine does not have hardware >virtualization. XP mode is not slow in WVPC, it actually feels like you're running the app native. (except for the startup time, which is pretty slow.) -- Bob Comer On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 05:50:19 -0500, David Wilkinson <no-reply(a)effisols.com> wrote: >Dave Warren wrote: >> True. But *if* you're already using VMWare workstation for any of it's >> multitude of features that Microsoft doesn't compete with, I can't >> imagine why you'd also run VPC2007. >> >> WVPC brings a few things to the table, application virtualization mode >> being a prime example (VMWare has similar, called "Unity" but it's >> painfully slow) > >Perhaps because I am more familiar with it, I find VPC 2007 easier to use than >Workstation. Also I have a bunch of VPC virtual machines that I use to test my >software -- I could convert them I guess, but why bother? > >I agree that Unity is very very slow, and I would have been interested to try >the corresponding feature in WVPC, but my current machine does not have hardware >virtualization.
From: Steve Jain [MVP] on 10 Feb 2010 12:45 On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:29:01 -0500, Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-(a)mindspring.com> wrote: >>I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially >>blue-screening my system right now. ;-) > >No crash here, starting VMWare VM first or last. And you can run a >64-bit guest with a WVPC running. Curious, I wonder how they do it. Good to know, must have been one of the updates. Are you running Wks 7.0.1? -- Cheers, Steve Jain, Virtual Machine MVP http://vpc.essjae.com/ http://smudj.wordpress.com/
From: Dave Warren on 10 Feb 2010 13:25 In message <ik95n5dk6rdfealj8bp53gdsq2dh1qfpg2(a)4ax.com> Robert Comer <bobcomer-removeme-(a)mindspring.com> was claimed to have wrote: >>WVPC brings a few things to the table, application virtualization mode >>being a prime example (VMWare has similar, called "Unity" but it's >>painfully slow) > >They have to rethink Unity, it's not very useful as is. Unity can't >really be compared to XP Mode, they tried to cram too much into Unity >making it more confusing to run and slower performance-wise. Cram too much into it? Unity's problem is the way it detects and draws windows, it's using a VNC-of-1999 type approach of reading parts of virtual video memory vs WVPC which uses RDP. More annoyingly, VMWare has some quirks capturing and releasing the mouse/keyboard. However, given that VMWare tries to support multiple guest OSes on multiple types of hosts, they're somewhat limited in their approach.
From: Robert Comer on 10 Feb 2010 13:40
>Good to know, must have been one of the updates. Are you running Wks >7.0.1? Yep, I updated to that before I tested this scenario. -- Bob Comer On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 09:45:55 -0800, "Steve Jain [MVP]" <noreply.-@-.essjae.com> wrote: >On Tue, 09 Feb 2010 19:29:01 -0500, Robert Comer ><bobcomer-removeme-(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > >>>I'll take your word for it for now. I'm not up to potentially >>>blue-screening my system right now. ;-) >> >>No crash here, starting VMWare VM first or last. And you can run a >>64-bit guest with a WVPC running. Curious, I wonder how they do it. > >Good to know, must have been one of the updates. Are you running Wks >7.0.1? |