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From: Mike Lane on 24 Jan 2010 07:21 J.J. O'Shea wrote on Jan 23, 2010: > The Hog (and MT-NW, and Agent) can filter on _any header I want to filter > on_. I wish you could explain *how* you do this. I use Hogwasher and I've never managed to do anything except very basic filtering on the 'Subject' line. The filtering window under the [Criteria] tab gives a number of choices which include 'Newsgroups Header'. I've tried to filter out posts to specific groups using this criteria, also the 'more than' option but neither seem to work. The only filter that *does* work, as I said, is excluding subject lines with specific keywords in. What am I missing? -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire email: mike_lane at mac dot com
From: J.J. O'Shea on 24 Jan 2010 09:21 On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:55 -0500, Mike Lane wrote (in article <0001HW.C781EBE30008B8B8B02919BF(a)news.virginmedia.com>): > J.J. O'Shea wrote on Jan 23, 2010: > >> The Hog (and MT-NW, and Agent) can filter on _any header I want to filter >> on_. > > I wish you could explain *how* you do this. I use Hogwasher and I've never > managed to do anything except very basic filtering on the 'Subject' line. > > The filtering window under the [Criteria] tab gives a number of choices which > include 'Newsgroups Header'. I've tried to filter out posts to specific > groups using this criteria, also the 'more than' option but neither seem to > work. The only filter that *does* work, as I said, is excluding subject lines > with specific keywords in. > > What am I missing? > > Use the 'Internet Header' criteria. Expect a delay while the system runs through all downloaded headers looking for matches. For example, if I wanted to flag all posts made with the Hog, I'd do the following: 1 press shift-command-S 2 set the time and the newsgroup in the 'General' pane. 3 in the 'Criteria' pane, select 'Internet Headers' and type or paste in the relevant header. In this case, 'User-Agent: Hogwasher/4.3'. Or I could just use 'Hogwasher'. 4 in the 'Action' pane, select what I want to do (mark for download, flag with a colour, whatever) 5 finish up as usual. It's easier to do that kind of thing in MT-NW, as you can score the various posts, and you have a lot more colours that can be applied, and you don't have to wait while the system checks out the headers as MT-NW doesn't apply new filters until you either reload the newsgroup or select refilter. On the other hand, the Hog makes it a _lot_ easier to drop stuff into the proper place, as you can specify where you want something to be downloaded as part of the filter. The ideal NNTP client would combine the features from both MT-NW and the Hog. Forte Agent has a lot of filtering options, and comes close to combining the features of MT-NW and the Hog, but it's a _Windows_ app so I'd have to be running Windows to use it, which I'd rather not do. -- email to oshea dot j dot j at gmail dot com.
From: Biagio on 24 Jan 2010 11:31 Tim Lance <nope(a)nada.com> wrote: > I was a beta tester for Unison v2. I was also a betatester for Unison v2... > Sure overall it's better than v1 but it is > still KISS based. Filtering is no better. Cross-post filtering is nonexistent > (here the Hog's subscriptions will keep me devoted). You still have > tremendous lag time managing huge binaries groups. There are some major features missing in Unison: * like MacSOUP and MT-NewsWatcher and even Thunderbird navigating the newsgroups using the spacebar is not possible with Unison. * filtering on ANY header is missing. * auto refresh the subscribed newsgroups (check for new messages) and display the unread messages beside the groups. * Reply-To-Me function like in MacSOUP: when there is a reply too your posting, MacSOUP displays this in the groupslist. * etc... -- I would think plugging an iPhone into a PC is like taking a cold shower: The end result is the same, but it's still really uncomfortable.
From: Mike Lane on 24 Jan 2010 12:11 J.J. O'Shea wrote on Jan 24, 2010: > On Sun, 24 Jan 2010 07:21:55 -0500, Mike Lane wrote > (in article <0001HW.C781EBE30008B8B8B02919BF(a)news.virginmedia.com>): > >> J.J. O'Shea wrote on Jan 23, 2010: >> >>> The Hog (and MT-NW, and Agent) can filter on _any header I want to filter >>> on_. >> >> I wish you could explain *how* you do this. I use Hogwasher and I've never >> managed to do anything except very basic filtering on the 'Subject' line. >> >> The filtering window under the [Criteria] tab gives a number of choices >> which > >> include 'Newsgroups Header'. I've tried to filter out posts to specific >> groups using this criteria, also the 'more than' option but neither seem to >> work. The only filter that *does* work, as I said, is excluding subject >> lines > >> with specific keywords in. >> >> What am I missing? >> >> > > Use the 'Internet Header' criteria. Expect a delay while the system runs > through all downloaded headers looking for matches. > > For example, if I wanted to flag all posts made with the Hog, I'd do the > following: > > 1 press shift-command-S > > 2 set the time and the newsgroup in the 'General' pane. > > 3 in the 'Criteria' pane, select 'Internet Headers' and type or paste in the > relevant header. In this case, 'User-Agent: Hogwasher/4.3'. Or I could just > use 'Hogwasher'. > > 4 in the 'Action' pane, select what I want to do (mark for download, flag > with a colour, whatever) > > 5 finish up as usual. > OK thanks - I've had another go and yes, your specific example does work. Also I think, any other filters I try using the 'Internet Headers' criterion. What doesn't work with my setup is any filter I try to set using the 'Newsgroups Header' criterion. I've tried to set filters to cut out posts with 'More than' n cross-posts, and also those with cross-posts to specific newsgroups. These just don't seem to work at all. -- Mike Lane UK North Yorkshire email: mike_lane at mac dot com
From: Paul Goodman on 24 Jan 2010 19:30
On 2010-01-24 11:31:55 -0500, Biagio said: > Tim Lance <nope(a)nada.com> wrote: > >> I was a beta tester for Unison v2. > > I was also a betatester for Unison v2... > >> Sure overall it's better than v1 but it is >> still KISS based. Filtering is no better. Cross-post filtering is nonexistent >> (here the Hog's subscriptions will keep me devoted). You still have >> tremendous lag time managing huge binaries groups. > > There are some major features missing in Unison: > * like MacSOUP and MT-NewsWatcher and even Thunderbird navigating the > newsgroups using the spacebar is not possible with Unison. [SNIP] I found that by using the overview setting you can scroll through messages one page at a time, as well as skipping to the next message with the space bar. But you can't skip to the next unread group that way. I wish you could. -- Paul Goodman |