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From: Michael A. Terrell on 24 Mar 2010 00:26

Joerg wrote:
>
> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> > Joerg wrote:
> >> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >>> BTW, some canned goods were found in 'Old West' ghost towns that were
> >>> about 100 years old. Other than loss of flavor, they were supposed to
> >>> still be safe to eat.
> >>>
> >> We had some stuff like that in the army. As for flavor, that was rather
> >> debatable even when "fresh" :-)
> >
> >
> > It wasn't intened to be 'good', it was meant to keep you alive.
> >
>
> Well, we sometimes had helpful friends around to kill the stale taste.
> What were their names .... oh yeah, now I remember. Jack Daniels, Jim
> Beam ...


Alcohol is a painful way to die, in sub zero temperatures.


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From: JosephKK on 24 Mar 2010 01:02
On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 14:55:47 -0700, D Yuniskis <not.going.to.be(a)seen.com> wrote:

>Hi Joerg,
>
>Joerg wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> BTW, some canned goods were found in 'Old West' ghost towns that were
>>> about 100 years old. Other than loss of flavor, they were supposed to
>>> still be safe to eat.
>>
>> We had some stuff like that in the army. As for flavor, that was rather
>> debatable even when "fresh" :-)
>
><grin> As a kid, I spent a few months living on C-rations (research).
>It's hard to imagine doing that for a prolonged period. Even the
>"chocolate" was abysmal!
>
>I am surprised, though, that things *can* stay preserved, canned,
>for such a long period of time. I imagine it depends on the
>foodstuffs involved, the materials from which the cans are made,
>any *coatings* applied to the insides of the cans and the
>mechanical integrity of those cans.
>
>I would imagine vacuum packing something like beans in glass
>(or metal) would also have a very long shelf life -- but I'm
>not a big fan of legumes! :-(

Most often the things that matter are cleanliness of the containers and
the sterility after closing. After the previous coatings and pH of the
preserved food play.
From: Martin Brown on 24 Mar 2010 04:23
D Yuniskis wrote:
> Hi Joerg,
>
> Joerg wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> BTW, some canned goods were found in 'Old West' ghost towns that were
>>> about 100 years old. Other than loss of flavor, they were supposed to
>>> still be safe to eat.
>>
>> We had some stuff like that in the army. As for flavor, that was
>> rather debatable even when "fresh" :-)
>
> <grin> As a kid, I spent a few months living on C-rations (research).
> It's hard to imagine doing that for a prolonged period. Even the
> "chocolate" was abysmal!

Do you really mean that or do you mean it actually tasted of *real*
chocolate instead of Hershey bars brown sugary rancid fat product.

ISTR chocolate and boiled sweets tins were about the best surviving of
the timed out rations. And even though UK rations are nothing to write
home about the tinned stuff was OK long after its official junk by day.
>
> I am surprised, though, that things *can* stay preserved, canned,
> for such a long period of time. I imagine it depends on the
> foodstuffs involved, the materials from which the cans are made,
> any *coatings* applied to the insides of the cans and the
> mechanical integrity of those cans.

Keep the air out and make sure they are sterile to begin with and they
will last without bacterial decay until the seal is broken. US army
reckons nearly 50 years. The contents may degrade somewhat though in
terms of texture and taste. The infamous tinned meat Spam seemed to last
pretty well without changing at all long after the expiry date.

> I would imagine vacuum packing something like beans in glass
> (or metal) would also have a very long shelf life -- but I'm
> not a big fan of legumes! :-(

Some goods tinned for early Antarctic expeditions still exist and are
nominally edible.

Regards,
Martin Brown
From: Joerg on 24 Mar 2010 09:16
Michael A. Terrell wrote:
> Joerg wrote:
>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>>> Joerg wrote:
>>>> Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>>>> BTW, some canned goods were found in 'Old West' ghost towns that were
>>>>> about 100 years old. Other than loss of flavor, they were supposed to
>>>>> still be safe to eat.
>>>>>
>>>> We had some stuff like that in the army. As for flavor, that was rather
>>>> debatable even when "fresh" :-)
>>>
>>> It wasn't intened to be 'good', it was meant to keep you alive.
>>>
>> Well, we sometimes had helpful friends around to kill the stale taste.
>> What were their names .... oh yeah, now I remember. Jack Daniels, Jim
>> Beam ...
>
>
> Alcohol is a painful way to die, in sub zero temperatures.
>

Well, we didn't empty the whole bottle :-)

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From: Michael A. Terrell on 24 Mar 2010 10:49

Fred Abse wrote:
>
> On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 20:37:28 -0400, Michael A. Terrell wrote:
>
> > Some of the ones I got while in the Army were over 20 years old. When
> > its -20 to -30 degrees and the only food for 15 miles, you don't
> > complain, if you want your next meal.
>
> Helps seal you up so you don't need to go outside so often ;-)


have you ever tried to dig a latrine in frozen tundra? We had to put
a ground rod through it, which required an oxyacetylene torch to hit the
tip, so the rod didn't bend. Heat it red hot, drive it a few inches,
pull it out and repeat. It took all day and used most of the full tanks
of Oxygen and Acetylene.

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