From: Joerg on
Mr.Eko wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:12:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> that would be hardcore un-Christian.
>
>
> That remark itself is 'un-Christian' then.
>
> In other words, despite your claims, you wouldn't know what is or is
> not 'Christian'. If you did, you would not be making such claims at all.
>

Ephesians 4:29 is quite clear: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out
of your mouth ...". Matthew 5:22 is Jesus himself saying "But anyone who
says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell". (meant to his
brethren or fellow citizens)

Not that anyone who has said that or a..beep or whatever must go
straight to hell. There is a way out. One can ask forgiveness. But that
must be in front of God and of the person that has been insulted.
Simple, really, but harder to do than it may sound. And yeah, I had to
do that myself. Not for cursing someone but other things. In the end it
doesn't matter what it is, a sin is a sin.

[...]

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From: John Larkin on
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:43:41 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Mr.Eko wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:12:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> that would be hardcore un-Christian.
>>
>>
>> That remark itself is 'un-Christian' then.
>>
>> In other words, despite your claims, you wouldn't know what is or is
>> not 'Christian'. If you did, you would not be making such claims at all.
>>
>
>Ephesians 4:29 is quite clear: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out
>of your mouth ...". Matthew 5:22 is Jesus himself saying "But anyone who
>says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell". (meant to his
>brethren or fellow citizens)
>
>Not that anyone who has said that or a..beep or whatever must go
>straight to hell. There is a way out. One can ask forgiveness. But that
>must be in front of God and of the person that has been insulted.
>Simple, really, but harder to do than it may sound. And yeah, I had to
>do that myself. Not for cursing someone but other things. In the end it
>doesn't matter what it is, a sin is a sin.
>
>[...]

We are complex critters, full of kindness, greed, intellect, savagery,
stupidity, love, lust, and random noise. Even if you really want to be
good (and only saints manage that 100% of the time) it's hard in lots
of situations to figure out what's the correct way to do that. Like
good engineering, it starts with seeing clearly what's really going
on.

John

From: Joerg on
John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:43:41 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Mr.Eko wrote:
>>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:12:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> that would be hardcore un-Christian.
>>>
>>> That remark itself is 'un-Christian' then.
>>>
>>> In other words, despite your claims, you wouldn't know what is or is
>>> not 'Christian'. If you did, you would not be making such claims at all.
>>>
>> Ephesians 4:29 is quite clear: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out
>> of your mouth ...". Matthew 5:22 is Jesus himself saying "But anyone who
>> says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell". (meant to his
>> brethren or fellow citizens)
>>
>> Not that anyone who has said that or a..beep or whatever must go
>> straight to hell. There is a way out. One can ask forgiveness. But that
>> must be in front of God and of the person that has been insulted.
>> Simple, really, but harder to do than it may sound. And yeah, I had to
>> do that myself. Not for cursing someone but other things. In the end it
>> doesn't matter what it is, a sin is a sin.
>>
>> [...]
>
> We are complex critters, full of kindness, greed, intellect, savagery,
> stupidity, love, lust, and random noise. Even if you really want to be
> good (and only saints manage that 100% of the time) ...


That's (almost) what the bible says. There is no way for us to be
perfect. However, we can all be saints if we want to yet we still won't
be infallible. That even goes for the pope.


> ... it's hard in lots
> of situations to figure out what's the correct way to do that. Like
> good engineering, it starts with seeing clearly what's really going
> on.
>

Yes. But then it deviates from engineering because the next phase is not
a SPICE simulation but a really good look in the mirror. Not the real
one but the one that makes us look inside us. Then some resolve must
follow. Such as "Starting right now I won't call my neighbor an effing
bleeping <....> anymore".

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From: krw on
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:01:51 -0700, John Larkin
<jjlarkin(a)highNOTlandTHIStechnologyPART.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 18:15:09 -0500, "krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz"
><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 04:51:39 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
>><OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 03:10:01 -0400, "Michael A. Terrell"
>>><mike.terrell(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:50:22 -0700, Archimedes' Lever
>>>>> <OneBigLever(a)InfiniteSeries.Org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:43:31 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
>>>>> >wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> >>krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote:
>>>>> >>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 14:08:03 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>>> Archimedes' Lever wrote:
>>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 13:24:21 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, and how do you suppose you get an "original design" into production
>>>>> >>>>>> without an ECO?
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> You must also be an acronymical retard as well.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>>> There is a difference between a design release and a change order of an
>>>>> >>>>> existing design.
>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>> >>>> So you guys release new designs without due ECO process? I sure hope you
>>>>> >>>> don't design anything that can harm people.
>>>>> >>>
>>>>> >>> AlwaysWrong doesn't design anything, so no he doesn't release ECOs. Everyone
>>>>> >>> else here who does, uses an ECO process, certainly.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Yup.
>>>>> >>
>>>>> >>Maybe they have a different release process for new stuff even though it
>>>>> >>typically _changes_ a product from previous to next generation. Having
>>>>> >>two different release processes doesn't strike me as particularly smart,
>>>>> >>but who knows :-)
>>>>> >
>>>>> > ECO is NOT for a "release", and not all releases are next gen designs
>>>>> >of previous work, idiot.
>>>>>
>>>>> AlwaysWrong is , *SURPRISE*, wrong again. It is an engineering change to the
>>>>> database so an Engineering Change Order is necessary. It's really that
>>>>> simple, AlwaysWrong. You should know simple, by mirror.
>>>>>
>>>>> > Two proofs that you are chasing your own tail.
>>>>>
>>>>> DimBulb just can't avoid the hind-end references.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If his parents had read that last ECO, dimmie would have been born
>>>>human. :(
>>>
>>> Said the utter retard that claims to be such a patriot, yet makes
>>>stupid remarks like this about people.
>>
>>Wow! You're reaching for that one DimBulb!
>>
>>> You are not a patriot, dumbfuck, you are the antithesis of patriotism.
>>
>>...and you say that you're a Christian! Yikes!
>
>That's the scary part. Does he abuse people and say s**t and f**k
>every other word when he's in Church?

....and lie.
From: Mr.Eko on
On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:43:41 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
wrote:

>Mr.Eko wrote:
>> On Mon, 14 Jun 2010 17:12:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> that would be hardcore un-Christian.
>>
>>
>> That remark itself is 'un-Christian' then.
>>
>> In other words, despite your claims, you wouldn't know what is or is
>> not 'Christian'. If you did, you would not be making such claims at all.
>>
>
>Ephesians 4:29 is quite clear: "Do not let any unwholesome talk come out
>of your mouth ...". Matthew 5:22 is Jesus himself saying "But anyone who
>says 'You fool!' will be in danger of the fire of hell". (meant to his
>brethren or fellow citizens)

un-Christian = 'You fool!'

You are guilty of what you finger point. How can you be blind to that?
>
>Not that anyone who has said that or a..beep or whatever must go
>straight to hell. There is a way out.

Let's just say that IF Jeffry Dahmer was indeed SINCERE in his
repentance, he will get to go to heaven. If he was not sincere, and that
is what I am betting, he too will find himself standing naked before
Christ on Judgement Day.

You too will be there, UNLESS repentance is one of the very last things
you do, and it must be sincere.

I know what the last words on my lips are going to be, if I have
anything to say about it.

> One can ask forgiveness. But that
>must be in front of God and of the person that has been insulted.

No such rule.

>Simple, really, but harder to do than it may sound. And yeah, I had to
>do that myself.

You have never been 'in front of God'.

> Not for cursing someone but other things. In the end it
>doesn't matter what it is, a sin is a sin.

And there is no escape and there are no rules save one, and He and I
already have a relationship that you nor any of your stupid horseshit
will ever be able to put asunder. You dig, boy?

Do you even know who Mr Eko is?