Five Small Problems with AGW science.
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From: tunderbar on 17 Feb 2010 14:39 On Feb 17, 12:46 pm, Marvin the Martian <mar...(a)ontomars.org> wrote: > On Wed, 17 Feb 2010 09:59:10 -0800, tunderbar wrote: > > On Feb 17, 11:22 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...(a)ontomars.org> wrote: > >> Scientific experts like Al Gore and Barack Obama assure us that the > >> science of AGW is settled; and it is except for a few minor details, > >> those details being: > > >> 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. > > > Correct > > >> 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. > > > It does cause a very small amount of warming effect, but after a certain > > point it can't add to the existing. > > Some 30 C of the greenhouse effect is water vapor. One paper I've read > puts the increase in CO2 as having an effect of 0.03 Kelvins. Yes, to be > precise one would say "very small". As in "noise level". Exactly. > > >> 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did that. > > > Essentially correct. 11.8 ppm is themost that can be attributed to man, > > the remaining 95 or so ppm is all naturally occurring. > > >> 4) AGW science isn't science, it's bullshit and leftist propaganda. > > > Correct. > > >> 5) If there was warming, it wouldn't be bad, it would be good. > > > True. > > >> Gawd, Humans are a gullible species. I can't believe you fell for AGW. > > > Agreed. But some people know that it is a scam, they just go along with > > it because it is the gravy train du jour.
From: Uncle Al on 17 Feb 2010 15:13 Marvin the Martian wrote: > > Scientific experts like Al Gore and Barack Obama assure us that the > science of AGW is settled; and it is except for a few minor details, > those details being: > > 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. This is confirmatory not contradictory. Global Warming is no longer the Greenhouse Effect (that sounded kinda nice). Global Warming is no longer global warming, either. Global Warming has even evolved beyond weather extremes. Global Warming causes all weather. Global Warming is therefore incontrovertible. > 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. Water vapor is natural and untaxable - doesn't count. The Greenhouse Effect is incredibly exacerbated by hydrochlorofluorocarbons - the Green alternative to Freons. 25 billion tons of carbon dioxide-equivalent/year HCFCs Officially released. One suspects it is more. > 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did that. Four billion Third World scum breathing, burning fires, and herding animals. There is nothing as efficient as a centralized multi-gigawatt power plant and microwave ovens to warm your cuppa. > 4) AGW science isn't science, it's bullshit and leftist propaganda. CHRIST IS COMING BACK! What could be truer than that? All one need do is wait. > 5) If there was warming, it wouldn't be bad, it would be good. Yeah, right - a warm Canada. ha ha ha Wouldn't that bollox a Winter Olympics! 90% of the second largest land area nation on Earth has its population living within 100 miles of the American border, praying for some non-frigid chimney exhaust blowing north. El Nino proves Global Warming. Peanut butter proves Global Warming. > Gawd, Humans are a gullible species. I can't believe you fell for AGW. "...it is not right that matters, it is victory." -- Uncle Al http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/ (Toxic URL! Unsafe for children and most mammals) http://www.mazepath.com/uncleal/qz4.htm
From: richp on 17 Feb 2010 15:22 On Feb 17, 9:59 am, tunderbar <tdcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 17, 11:22 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...(a)ontomars.org> wrote: > > > Scientific experts like Al Gore and Barack Obama assure us that the > > science of AGW is settled; and it is except for a few minor details, > > those details being: > > > 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. > > Correct > > > 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. > > It does cause a very small amount of warming effect, but after a > certain point it can't add to the existing. > > > 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did that. > > Essentially correct. 11.8 ppm is themost that can be attributed to > man, the remaining 95 or so ppm is all naturally occurring. > > > 4) AGW science isn't science, it's bullshit and leftist propaganda. > > Correct. > > > 5) If there was warming, it wouldn't be bad, it would be good. > > True. > > > > > Gawd, Humans are a gullible species. I can't believe you fell for AGW. > > Agreed. But some people know that it is a scam, they just go along > with it because it is the gravy train du jour. Everything you and marvin have stated is a lie pure and simple
From: tunderbar on 17 Feb 2010 15:55 On Feb 17, 2:22 pm, richp <travelingman95...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 17, 9:59 am, tunderbar <tdcom...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 17, 11:22 am, Marvin the Martian <mar...(a)ontomars.org> wrote: > > > > Scientific experts like Al Gore and Barack Obama assure us that the > > > science of AGW is settled; and it is except for a few minor details, > > > those details being: > > > > 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. > > > Correct > > > > 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. > > > It does cause a very small amount of warming effect, but after a > > certain point it can't add to the existing. > > > > 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did that.. > > > Essentially correct. 11.8 ppm is themost that can be attributed to > > man, the remaining 95 or so ppm is all naturally occurring. > > > > 4) AGW science isn't science, it's bullshit and leftist propaganda. > > > Correct. > > > > 5) If there was warming, it wouldn't be bad, it would be good. > > > True. > > > > Gawd, Humans are a gullible species. I can't believe you fell for AGW.. > > > Agreed. But some people know that it is a scam, they just go along > > with it because it is the gravy train du jour. > > Everything you and marvin have stated is a lie pure and simple Well I can tell by your in depth and detailed rebuttal that it must be.
From: Sam Wormley on 17 Feb 2010 16:36
On 2/17/10 11:22 AM, Marvin the Martian wrote: > 1) There isn't any warming. Even Jones admits this. > 2) CO2 doesn't cause the greenhouse effect. Water vapor does. > 3) We didn't put the CO2 into the atmosphere. A warmer ocean did that. Three strikes and yer out! Marvin! There is lots of evidence that the earth is warming at an accelerating rate. CO2 is a well know greenhouse gas, it is the major driver of this warming trend and we add to its increase by burning fossil fuels, making cement and concrete and by reducing CO2 sinks. Climate Change Factsheet http://www.swissre.com/resources/2225fb0040c36b1fa49cbfb02e99dba1-Factsheet_Climate_sceptic.pdf Scientific Evidence - Increasing Temperatures & Greenhouse Gases http://www.whrc.org/resources/online_publications/warming_earth/scientific_evidence.htm The Carbon Dioxide Greenhouse Effect http://www.aip.org/history/climate/co2.htm Proof of the Atmospheric Greenhouse Effect http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0802/0802.4324v1.pdf |