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From: Jim on 20 Jan 2010 03:50 On 2010-01-20, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > wget used to be part of osx. I dont know if it is anymore. I know I have > downloaded it manually but really dont remember what machine that was > for. I've just checked my 10.6 machine and it's not there. Jim -- http://www.ursaMinorBeta.co.uk http://twitter.com/GreyAreaUK "Get over here. Now. Might be advisable to wear brown trousers and a shirt the colour of blood." Malcolm Tucker, "The Thick of It"
From: Rowland McDonnell on 20 Jan 2010 05:00 Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > [snip] > > > > > download the swf (located at > > > <http://www.dailyfashiongames.com//media/0709/59298608.swf> with > > > whatever you use for downloading. I use wget, I don't think it is > > > standard any more - curl works as well, I just don't know what its > > > command line is. > > > > DeepVacuum and Blue Crab are what I use for downloading Web sites. > > DeepVacuum uses wget. I dunno what you mean by `standard'. > > wget used to be part of osx. I dont know if it is anymore. I know I have > downloaded it manually but really dont remember what machine that was > for. Ah. Never knew any of that. wget appears to be absent in 10.6.2. The 10.4.11 machine is staying asleep. > > So basically, its `Look at the source, find the reference to the swf > > file, and grab it', yes? > > Most of the time, if they are not trying to stop you from doing that, > yes. Righto. > > How come I can't find the file in question on local disc when I access > > the Web page normally? Is it really just loaded straight into RAM? > > Well, if it isn't in safari (if you were using that) caches, Nope - is it possible to identify anything in Safari's caches? I've never figured out the trick. > it may just > have been given a temporary filename when downloaded, so you didn't see > it with that extension. Given that it's Flash, I assumed it'd be kept like that and searched the usual places. > Or maybe for small files it really does put them > in memory - it would be inefficient, but I don't know how it does it. I've not a clue. Inefficient, when it takes 1/2 MB of RAM to store the state for one thread, and the file in question is 372KB? <shrug> I'd've thought that much RAM usage was considered `so tiny as to be irrelevant' these days. > If you did use safari you can look in the 'Activity' window, and you > will see the swf file in the file list. If you double click that file it > will actually download it to your normal download folder. No it didn't. It opened: <http://www.dailyfashiongames.com/media/0709/59298608.swf> and I couldn't find the swf file on disc anywhere. btw, I grabbed the swf file in question (using Deep Vacuum) but for some reason none of my Web browsers will open it, although Safari did happily open the swf as mentioned above. Can you explain what that's all about? (look, I'm not at this point interested in the bloody bunny, it's the technical issues of what's going on that I'm bothered about now. I hope... I hope it's not the bunny. If I'm obsessed with that bunny, I'm in /serious/ trouble.) > Note it does download it again, rather than link to a local copy. What I got was a new window with the game only opened inside it. I could see no copy of the swf file anywhere. I searched for the identified file by name, looking at invisible and visible files and *NOT* using Spotlight (may it be forever damned). Nuffin' > > > Then drag the resulting swf file into safari, and it works fine. > > > > > > Try to keep the window at around 700 x 490 or your bunny could be > > > stretched! > > > > Umm. Yes. It's really very very silly. > > > > I do wonder what the Web site owners get out of putting this stuff up > > for use. > > Generally traffic / advertising if it is a company, or just for fun if > they are small. The site I first came across appears not to have advertising. And if you're generating traffic without generating money, what are you doing if not just throwing money away without any point? > > And I also wonder if what's going on with them is some kind of > > curious psychological experiment. And I *also* wonder what kind of > > maniac came up with the bunny. I mean, what? So I wanted it in my > > stash of Web oddments. And I couldn't. Time for a bit of > > determination, I thought. And all for a bloody Flash game involving > > dressing up a minute cartoon bunny in silly clothes. I mean, what? > > Why? WHY DID I DO IT? > > > > So I thought - hang on a bit, is this whole thing some kind of test? > > > > Then I looked at some other Websites of the same sort, and noticed that > > if I happened to see any adverts that appeared to be aimed at a specific > > demographic, they were aimed at me. These bloody things seem to be > > meant to attract middle aged men - huh? > > Thats odd! I think I should find out more about the sort of people who put this stuff up on the Web. Some of it is as it appears to be, sortathing - something for the young girls. Some of it is very obviously aimed at the pervs.[1] But there's a big grey area where I can't make up my mind what's what. Rowland. [1] It misses, oddly enough. Yeah, well, don't ask - but the stuff aimed at pervs is less titillating than the stuff apparently aimed at the young girls. And as soon as that thought truck me, I started to get very suspicious of why it was I was so fascinated by this stuff... Human psychology is odd. -- Remove the animal for email address: rowland.mcdonnell(a)dog.physics.org Sorry - the spam got to me http://www.mag-uk.org http://www.bmf.co.uk UK biker? Join MAG and the BMF and stop the Eurocrats banning biking
From: James Dore on 20 Jan 2010 05:10 On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:22:03 -0000, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > >> Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > download the swf (located at >> > <http://www.dailyfashiongames.com//media/0709/59298608.swf> with >> > whatever you use for downloading. I use wget, I don't think it is >> > standard any more - curl works as well, I just don't know what its >> > command line is. >> >> DeepVacuum and Blue Crab are what I use for downloading Web sites. >> DeepVacuum uses wget. I dunno what you mean by `standard'. > > wget used to be part of osx. I dont know if it is anymore. I know I have > downloaded it manually but really dont remember what machine that was > for. wget has been replaced by curl. curl --help gives you the options in a 'concise' format. curl --manual gives you the manual. I suggest you do curl --manual > curlmanual.txt and open curlmanual.txt in your favourite text editor. There's a lot of stuff.... Cheers, -- James Dore New College IT Officer james.dore(a)new / it-support(a)new
From: Woody on 20 Jan 2010 05:24 Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > > > Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > > > > [snip] > > > > > > > download the swf (located at > > > > <http://www.dailyfashiongames.com//media/0709/59298608.swf> with > > > > whatever you use for downloading. I use wget, I don't think it is > > > > standard any more - curl works as well, I just don't know what its > > > > command line is. > > > > > > DeepVacuum and Blue Crab are what I use for downloading Web sites. > > > DeepVacuum uses wget. I dunno what you mean by `standard'. > > > > wget used to be part of osx. I dont know if it is anymore. I know I have > > downloaded it manually but really dont remember what machine that was > > for. > > Ah. > > Never knew any of that. > > wget appears to be absent in 10.6.2. The 10.4.11 machine is staying > asleep. Yes, that is what I thought. I know it used to be installed, maybe 10.4, maybe earlier, but then it was replaced by curl, which I think does a lot more. I liked wget as you could just type wget <filename>. Curl needs a bit more of a command line to do the same, > > > How come I can't find the file in question on local disc when I access > > > the Web page normally? Is it really just loaded straight into RAM? > > > > Well, if it isn't in safari (if you were using that) caches, > > Nope - is it possible to identify anything in Safari's caches? I've > never figured out the trick. Well, it probably is but it is quite difficult, so its never the easiest option. > > Or maybe for small files it really does put them > > in memory - it would be inefficient, but I don't know how it does it. > > I've not a clue. Inefficient, when it takes 1/2 MB of RAM to store the > state for one thread, and the file in question is 372KB? <shrug> > > I'd've thought that much RAM usage was considered `so tiny as to be > irrelevant' these days. Maybe it is by some (I still am paranoid about memory use when programming, but it doesn't seem the norm), but the state coveres all pages, so it is easier to cache a file than reload it when you go back to the page. > > If you did use safari you can look in the 'Activity' window, and you > > will see the swf file in the file list. If you double click that file it > > will actually download it to your normal download folder. > > No it didn't. > > It opened: > > <http://www.dailyfashiongames.com/media/0709/59298608.swf> > > and I couldn't find the swf file on disc anywhere. Oh ok. Mine downloads it to the downloads folder. > btw, I grabbed the swf file in question (using Deep Vacuum) but for some > reason none of my Web browsers will open it, although Safari did happily > open the swf as mentioned above. > > Can you explain what that's all about? Nope - its something to do with mime types, but I don't know what, and given that it works the dragging way, there is a workaround. > (look, I'm not at this point interested in the bloody bunny, it's the > technical issues of what's going on that I'm bothered about now. I > hope... I hope it's not the bunny. If I'm obsessed with that bunny, > I'm in /serious/ trouble.) hehe - I wasn't really thinking about the bunny, it doesn't really matter what the swf is, the principle is the same with any of them (although there are additonal related issues if it is video). > > Note it does download it again, rather than link to a local copy. > > What I got was a new window with the game only opened inside it. I > could see no copy of the swf file anywhere. I searched for the > identified file by name, looking at invisible and visible files and > *NOT* using Spotlight (may it be forever damned). > > Nuffin' Odd. > > > > Then drag the resulting swf file into safari, and it works fine. > > > > > > > > Try to keep the window at around 700 x 490 or your bunny could be > > > > stretched! > > > > > > Umm. Yes. It's really very very silly. > > > > > > I do wonder what the Web site owners get out of putting this stuff up > > > for use. > > > > Generally traffic / advertising if it is a company, or just for fun if > > they are small. > > The site I first came across appears not to have advertising. And if > you're generating traffic without generating money, what are you doing > if not just throwing money away without any point? Unless you are trying to create some kind of brand I don't know. But then marketing is a strange thing that I try and stay away from. > > > Then I looked at some other Websites of the same sort, and noticed that > > > if I happened to see any adverts that appeared to be aimed at a specific > > > demographic, they were aimed at me. These bloody things seem to be > > > meant to attract middle aged men - huh? > > > > Thats odd! > > I think I should find out more about the sort of people who put this > stuff up on the Web. How would you even go about finding out about the people that put that stuff up? -- Woody
From: Woody on 20 Jan 2010 05:30
James Dore <james.dore(a)new.ox.ac.uk> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jan 2010 08:22:03 -0000, Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote: > > > >> Woody <usenet(a)alienrat.co.uk> wrote: > >> > >> [snip] > >> > >> > download the swf (located at > >> > <http://www.dailyfashiongames.com//media/0709/59298608.swf> with > >> > whatever you use for downloading. I use wget, I don't think it is > >> > standard any more - curl works as well, I just don't know what its > >> > command line is. > >> > >> DeepVacuum and Blue Crab are what I use for downloading Web sites. > >> DeepVacuum uses wget. I dunno what you mean by `standard'. > > > > wget used to be part of osx. I dont know if it is anymore. I know I have > > downloaded it manually but really dont remember what machine that was > > for. > > wget has been replaced by curl. > > curl --help gives you the options in a 'concise' format. > > curl --manual gives you the manual. I suggest you do curl --manual > > curlmanual.txt and open curlmanual.txt in your favourite text editor. > There's a lot of stuff.... That is what was so good about wget! -- Woody |