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From: Roger Merriman on 29 Dec 2009 18:57
Martin S Taylor <mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:

> James Jolley wrote
> > On 2009-12-29 20:41:41 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
> > <bogus(a)purr.demon.co.uk> said:
> >
> >>> How typically Microsoftian.
> >>>
> >>> Now when you download and install Flip4Mac to play WMVs in Quicktime
> >>> Player, the package installs Silverlight by default. If you don't want
> >>> Silverlight (and I certainly don't) you have to customise the install
> >>> to remove it.
>
> <snip>
>
> > And to be fair to MS on this, Silverlight's been really good. The mac
> > implementation's fine as far as I can see. Better than flash.
>
> That's not the point, though, is it? I ask for X to be installed, so the
> installer installs X and then installs Y because it's really good.
>
> It's not how I want software to work, thank you.
>
> MST

yup it's a bit bad.

roger
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From: Jim on 30 Dec 2009 02:01
Martin S Taylor <mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> wrote:

> > And to be fair to MS on this, Silverlight's been really good. The mac
> > implementation's fine as far as I can see. Better than flash.
>
> That's not the point, though, is it? I ask for X to be installed, so the
> installer installs X and then installs Y because it's really good.
>
> It's not how I want software to work, thank you.

Hmmm. _Arguably_ it's right, in that Silverlight can be thought of as a
Microsoft video format (among many other things) and, hence, its
inclusion as part of Flip4Mac makes sense.

But yes, I know what you mean. The two are different enough to warrant
different installers.

Jim
--
"Microsoft admitted its Vista operating system was a 'less good
product' in what IT experts have described as the most ambitious
understatement since the captain of the Titanic reported some
slightly damp tablecloths." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
From: Chris Ridd on 30 Dec 2009 04:25
On 2009-12-29 23:04:55 +0000, James Jolley said:

> On 2009-12-29 22:43:52 +0000, Martin S Taylor
> <mst(a)hRyEpMnOoVtEiTsHm.cIo.uSk> said:
>
>> James Jolley wrote
>>> On 2009-12-29 20:41:41 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
>>> <bogus(a)purr.demon.co.uk> said:
>>>
>>>>> How typically Microsoftian.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now when you download and install Flip4Mac to play WMVs in Quicktime
>>>>> Player, the package installs Silverlight by default. If you don't want
>>>>> Silverlight (and I certainly don't) you have to customise the install
>>>>> to remove it.
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> And to be fair to MS on this, Silverlight's been really good. The mac
>>> implementation's fine as far as I can see. Better than flash.
>>
>> That's not the point, though, is it? I ask for X to be installed, so the
>> installer installs X and then installs Y because it's really good.
>>
>> It's not how I want software to work, thank you.
>>
>> MST
>
> Perhaps it needs Silverlight for decoding a specific format? I don't
> know, I had to use Silverlight when ITV used it and never removed the
> plugin.

No, it just installs Silverlight because Microsoft wants you to have
it. No other reason.

The Flip4Mac folks do make it very obvious that this is going to happen
unless you click "Customize" in the installer.
--
Chris

From: Ian McCall on 30 Dec 2009 04:45
On 2009-12-29 20:02:05 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:

> How typically Microsoftian.

Hmm - so whilst yes I agree, there's also a spot of glass houses and
throwing stones to be done at Apple. Their annoying attempt to bundle
iTunes along with Quicktime for Windows has only recently ceased, and
then there was the 'download Safari default ticked' fiasco too. Then
there's their ads showing how you have to get rid of all the trialware
coming on new PCs, whilst all the while they're bundling trials of
iWork (and Filemaker, I seem to recall) with each Mac.

Not that -you're- the one doing this of course, but "how typically
Apple" would also be an appropriate phrase.


Cheers,
Ian

From: Pd on 30 Dec 2009 06:00
Ian McCall <ian(a)eruvia.org> wrote:

> On 2009-12-29 20:02:05 +0000, peterd.news(a)gmail.invalid (Pd) said:
>
> > How typically Microsoftian.
>
> Hmm - so whilst yes I agree, there's also a spot of glass houses and
> throwing stones to be done at Apple. Their annoying attempt to bundle
> iTunes along with Quicktime for Windows has only recently ceased, and
> then there was the 'download Safari default ticked' fiasco too. Then
> there's their ads showing how you have to get rid of all the trialware
> coming on new PCs, whilst all the while they're bundling trials of
> iWork (and Filemaker, I seem to recall) with each Mac.
>
> Not that -you're- the one doing this of course, but "how typically
> Apple" would also be an appropriate phrase.

Nah, I'd just say "Apple are being a bit bloody Microsoftian these
days". But yes, trying to piggyback software installations to extend the
user base stinks no matter what company is doing it.

Rather naively I think each big corporate that touts its ethical working
practices (c.f. Google "don't be evil") does actually care about
'people-friendly' values, only to be disappointed when they do
corporate-shareholder-friendly things that trample all over the
individual's rights and priorities.

--
Pd
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