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From: Pd on 30 Dec 2009 06:04
James Jolley <jrjolley(a)me.com> wrote:

> On 2009-12-29 20:41:41 +0000, Jack Campin - bogus address
> <bogus(a)purr.demon.co.uk> said:
>
> >> How typically Microsoftian.
> >>
> >> Now when you download and install Flip4Mac to play WMVs in Quicktime
> >> Player, the package installs Silverlight by default. If you don't want
> >> Silverlight (and I certainly don't) you have to customise the install
> >> to remove it.
> >
> > Explain some more? It's yet another media player as I understand it,
> > so why does it make any difference if you're not using it?
>
> And to be fair to MS on this, Silverlight's been really good. The mac
> implementation's fine as far as I can see. Better than flash.

Silverlight's been a pile of poo both times I've tried installing it.
The only reason I tried is because someone wanted me to see something on
ITV's player, but it hung the machine, crashed the browser, somehow
managed to stall my internet connection and generally didn't work.

ITV have now dumped Silverlight as their media delivery system, rather
unsurprisingly in my view.

--
Pd
From: Martin S Taylor on 30 Dec 2009 07:48
Pd wrote
>> Not that -you're- the one doing this of course, but "how typically
>> Apple" would also be an appropriate phrase.
>
> Nah, I'd just say "Apple are being a bit bloody Microsoftian these
> days". But yes, trying to piggyback software installations to extend the
> user base stinks no matter what company is doing it.

To some extent I think Apple are worse than Microsoft because of the way all
their applications tie in with one another, and it's hard to use one without
another.

If I don't like iTunes, say, as a music organiser then tough, because I own
an iPhone and it's well-nigh impossible to use the iPhone without connecting
to my Mac using iTunes.

If I want to synchronise Notes between my iPhone and my Mac, I have to use
Mail.app (why Mail, for goodness' sake?). iDVD assumes I want to import
photos from iPhoto; Pages assumes I want to import tunes into my
word-processing document (huh?) and yes, it provides me with the iTunes
interface to do this.

Of course, part of the reason we use Macs is the consistency between
interfaces, and the fact that Apple make it easy to tie the various
applications together, but I sometimes feel it's forced upon us in a quite
unnatural way.

MST

From: Chris Ridd on 30 Dec 2009 08:16
On 2009-12-30 12:48:53 +0000, Martin S Taylor said:

> Pd wrote
>>> Not that -you're- the one doing this of course, but "how typically
>>> Apple" would also be an appropriate phrase.
>>
>> Nah, I'd just say "Apple are being a bit bloody Microsoftian these
>> days". But yes, trying to piggyback software installations to extend the
>> user base stinks no matter what company is doing it.
>
> To some extent I think Apple are worse than Microsoft because of the way all
> their applications tie in with one another, and it's hard to use one without
> another.
>
> If I don't like iTunes, say, as a music organiser then tough, because I own
> an iPhone and it's well-nigh impossible to use the iPhone without connecting
> to my Mac using iTunes.

That's true.

> If I want to synchronise Notes between my iPhone and my Mac, I have to use
> Mail.app (why Mail, for goodness' sake?).

You don't though - any other app that syncs notes with The Truth
database should work. I am not sure there *are* any other apps that
sync notes, but the architecture's quite open - there are several apps
for example that sync to dos with The Truth.

--
Chris

From: Duncan Kennedy on 30 Dec 2009 09:26
In message <7q0lotF91nU1(a)mid.individual.net>, Ian McCall
<ian(a)eruvia.org> writes
> whilst all the while they're bundling trials of iWork (and Filemaker,
>I seem to recall) with each Mac.
>
I really don't want to take sides in the discussion although I don't
like "trial" software in general and usually remove it - but I'm
interested in what you say about iWork and Filemaker. To move over to
Macs, this year I've bought a Mac Mini (Leopard) and MBP (Snow Leopard)
but I haven't actually *found trials of either. Did I miss something I
would probably remove?

--
Duncan K
Downtown Dalgety Bay
From: Martin S Taylor on 30 Dec 2009 09:36
Duncan Kennedy wrote
> Did I miss something I
> would probably remove?

If you did, you can download iWork trial version at

<http://www.apple.com/iwork/>

and FileMaker at

<http://www.filemaker.co.uk/products/fmp/>

though the latter will ask for your e-mail address and spam you for years to
come.

MST

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