From: George on
On 7/17/2010 12:27 PM, LM wrote:
> What good is calculus if nobody practically uses it.

Really? that would be big news to a lot of folks who use calculus in
their work.

> My pool has an uneven bottom (shallow and deep and varying greatly).
>
> All pool-volume calculators I can find assume a gently sloping bottom (and
> therefore use geometric simplifications). I want to try a calculus based
> pool volume calculator (that takes the actual shape of the bottom curve
> into consideration).
>
> To obtain an accurate pool water volume, I just measured in two dozen
> places every few feet the varying depth of an irregularly shaped pool.
>
> I realize, with those numbers, I can draw a side view and then break it
> into squares to calculate the volume but there must be a calculus volume
> calculator out there that will take the shape of the bottom curves.
>
> But since this is a common need of every pool owner of an irregularly
> shaped pool, I wonder if there is a good freeware calculus (not geometry)
> pool volume calculator out there that you recommend.
>
> Googling, I found these two Windows freeware volume applications:
> * AD Geometrical calculator http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=4749
> * Volume Calculator
> http://www.freewarefiles.com/Volume-Calculator_program_43621.html
>
> And, of course, there are the generic geometric pool-volume calculators
> (which all suffer from geometry assumptions):
> *
> http://www.pentairpool.com/pool-owner/resources/calculators/pool-volume-calc/poolcalc.htm
> * http://www.poolspa.com/calculator/
> * http://www.poolwizard.net/pool-volume/
> * http://www.backyardcitypools.com/swimming-pools/Pool-Volume-Calculate.htm
> * http://www.poolandspachemicals.co.uk/volcalc.htm
> * http://www.havuz.org/pool-calculators.htm
> * http://www.poolfactoryonline.com/tutorials/pool-volume-calculator
> * http://poolways.com/volume.html
>
> What good is calculus if nobody uses it?
> Do know of any volume calculators that will take the shape of the pool
> bottom (measured in two-foot increments) into consideration accurately
> without geometric simplification?

From: Malcolm Hoar on
In article <i1slme$ah4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, LM <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>Do know of any volume calculators that will take the shape of the pool
>bottom (measured in two-foot increments) into consideration accurately
>without geometric simplification?

No. But since you've made the depth measurements in two-foot
increments, just carve up the pool into those two-foot solids.
Calculate the volume of each solid and add 'em all up.

A little tedious but it shouldn't take long.

It's going to be pretty much as accurate as you can get from
the available measurement data.


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From: Clot on
Malcolm Hoar wrote:
> In article <i1slme$ah4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, LM
> <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>> Do know of any volume calculators that will take the shape of the
>> pool bottom (measured in two-foot increments) into consideration
>> accurately without geometric simplification?
>
> No. But since you've made the depth measurements in two-foot
> increments, just carve up the pool into those two-foot solids.
> Calculate the volume of each solid and add 'em all up.
>
> A little tedious but it shouldn't take long.
>
> It's going to be pretty much as accurate as you can get from
> the available measurement data.

I found the OP rather surprising. Though to be fair, both my kids (in their
twenties and thirties) would be flumoxed.

Whilst struggling under a motor asking for an 8 mm. socket from them would
challenge them. Asking for a 1/2" Whit or an AF would ensure that they
signed up to the Chattering Classes.





From: krw on
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:09:45 GMT, malch(a)malch.com (Malcolm Hoar) wrote:

>In article <i1slme$ah4$1(a)speranza.aioe.org>, LM <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote:
>>Do know of any volume calculators that will take the shape of the pool
>>bottom (measured in two-foot increments) into consideration accurately
>>without geometric simplification?
>
>No. But since you've made the depth measurements in two-foot
>increments, just carve up the pool into those two-foot solids.
>Calculate the volume of each solid and add 'em all up.

Enter the depth measurements for each two-foot square into a spreadsheet. Sum
all cells and multiply by the size of the square (four, in this case) and
convert to the unit of choice (times 8 for gallons).

>A little tedious but it shouldn't take long.

Not at all. ;-)

>It's going to be pretty much as accurate as you can get from
>the available measurement data.

Yep. As another poster said, he doesn't have the equation to fit the bottom
of the pool so it's not a calculus problem.
From: Brent on
On Sat, 17 Jul 2010 09:27:32 -0700, LM wrote:
> Googling, I found these two Windows freeware volume applications:
> * AD Geometrical calculator http://www.filetransit.com/view.php?id=4749
> * Volume Calculator
> http://www.freewarefiles.com/Volume-Calculator_program_43621.html

Neither of which is freeware that performs pool volume calculations.

The first is trial ware and it doesn't do pool volumes with slopes.

The second is a cylindrical volume calculator.

What you need does not exist.