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From: JoeSpareBedroom on 19 Jul 2010 07:04
"LM" <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:54:10 -0400, Rocinante wrote:
>>> Gee......Woudn't that stuff be in the manual?
>> Yup, he should go find the manual or even download it.
>
> At first I thought he was joking so I ignored the "get the manual" advice.
>
> But now, with a second person saying this, I must ask how does one "get
> the
> manual" for a pool?
>
> The pool was probably built about ten years ago by the owners at that
> time.
>
> I've long ago downloaded the manuals for each piece of equipment, each of
> which has a brand and a model stamped on it. But how do you download a
> manual for the pool itself?
>
> The pool doesn't have a "brand" or a "model" - or does it?
>
> Where do you look for the brand or model or serial number on a pool?


Never mind the manual. Please answer the question which frightens you the
most, which is why you're avoiding it:

Why do you imagine that every owner of an irregularly shaped pool needs to
know how much water it takes to fill the pool?


From: LM on 19 Jul 2010 11:03
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:04:08 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
> Why do you imagine that every owner of an irregularly shaped pool needs to
> know how much water it takes to fill the pool?

I followed the advice here, which was to break the pool into short segments
of uniform slope and then just calculate the volume assuming the average of
the depths.

So, at 1-foot increments, I gathered all the data into an OpenOffice
freeware spreadsheet. There were about seventy-five measurements, given the
irregular nature of the floor but I think I have it down to almost the
exact gallon as I took into account everything.

If I went to the best pool calculator I could find (and I tested them
all!), it was off by about a thousand gallons. That's a LOT!
http://www.pentairpool.com/pool-owner/resources/calculators/pool-volume-calc/poolcalc.htm

None of the supposed freeware programs worked. One was decidedly not
freeware (their web page was a lie). The other didn't do as advertised.

There are many reasons for wanting to know the gallons in the pool. Due to
our location, we need to get water trucks to fill the pool. Also, we pay
water bills based on percentages of a baseline, the more you go over the
baseline, the more you pay. With judicious juggling of the trucked-in water
and the monthly use of the hose, we can avoid additional charges.

Right now the pool is filled so I don't need the water trucked in, but
that's why I wanted to know how much water is in the pool. The trucks only
carry so much you know (I guess the next question is how many gallons in
the truck, but I assume the water company knows all that.) :)

From: JoeSpareBedroom on 19 Jul 2010 11:19
"LM" <xxxvte.lisa.meisnerxxx(a)verizon.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:04:08 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> Why do you imagine that every owner of an irregularly shaped pool needs
>> to
>> know how much water it takes to fill the pool?
>
> I followed the advice here, which was to break the pool into short
> segments
> of uniform slope and then just calculate the volume assuming the average
> of
> the depths.
>
> So, at 1-foot increments, I gathered all the data into an OpenOffice
> freeware spreadsheet. There were about seventy-five measurements, given
> the
> irregular nature of the floor but I think I have it down to almost the
> exact gallon as I took into account everything.
>
> If I went to the best pool calculator I could find (and I tested them
> all!), it was off by about a thousand gallons. That's a LOT!
> http://www.pentairpool.com/pool-owner/resources/calculators/pool-volume-calc/poolcalc.htm
>
> None of the supposed freeware programs worked. One was decidedly not
> freeware (their web page was a lie). The other didn't do as advertised.
>
> There are many reasons for wanting to know the gallons in the pool. Due to
> our location, we need to get water trucks to fill the pool. Also, we pay
> water bills based on percentages of a baseline, the more you go over the
> baseline, the more you pay. With judicious juggling of the trucked-in
> water
> and the monthly use of the hose, we can avoid additional charges.
>
> Right now the pool is filled so I don't need the water trucked in, but
> that's why I wanted to know how much water is in the pool. The trucks only
> carry so much you know (I guess the next question is how many gallons in
> the truck, but I assume the water company knows all that.) :)
>


If you have to think about the cost of water, you have no business operating
a pool.


From: rich on 19 Jul 2010 11:56
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 08:03:27 -0700, LM wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Jul 2010 07:04:08 -0400, JoeSpareBedroom wrote:
>> Why do you imagine that every owner of an irregularly shaped pool needs
>> to know how much water it takes to fill the pool?
>
> I followed the advice here, which was to break the pool into short
> segments of uniform slope and then just calculate the volume assuming
> the average of the depths.
>
> So, at 1-foot increments, I gathered all the data into an OpenOffice
> freeware spreadsheet. There were about seventy-five measurements, given
> the irregular nature of the floor but I think I have it down to almost
> the exact gallon as I took into account everything.
>
> If I went to the best pool calculator I could find (and I tested them
> all!), it was off by about a thousand gallons. That's a LOT!
> http://www.pentairpool.com/pool-owner/resources/calculators/pool-volume-
calc/poolcalc.htm
>
> None of the supposed freeware programs worked. One was decidedly not
> freeware (their web page was a lie). The other didn't do as advertised.
>
> There are many reasons for wanting to know the gallons in the pool. Due
> to our location, we need to get water trucks to fill the pool. Also, we
> pay water bills based on percentages of a baseline, the more you go over
> the baseline, the more you pay. With judicious juggling of the
> trucked-in water and the monthly use of the hose, we can avoid
> additional charges.
>
> Right now the pool is filled so I don't need the water trucked in, but
> that's why I wanted to know how much water is in the pool. The trucks
> only carry so much you know (I guess the next question is how many
> gallons in the truck, but I assume the water company knows all that.) :)

Dear me, I've been watching this thread with interest (disbelief)

As an old civil engineer who had to do earthwork calcs, do a search for
"prismoidal calculations"
first hit on google
<http://www.alamo.edu/sac/engtech/CADD/psencik/
Civil_Volume_Calculations.pdf>

A 1000 gallons is only a lot when taken as a proportion of the total
volume.

How much does a water truck carry. Depends on the truck. Do they not have
the capacity shown on the truck in the states?

1000 US gallons = 3.79 cu.metres so it is a little less than 4 tons in
weight.
say, quarter of a small tanker or 1/10 of a big tanker.


--
rich
From: Franklin on 23 Jul 2010 06:17
Donna Ohl wrote:

> On Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:58:49 -0700, Smitty Two wrote:
>> Donna is a troll, krw. She pops in every six months or so.
>
> Hi Smitty, ...
>
> This always amazes me! I put in an entire water heater, documented
> every single step, took fifty pictures and posted them, took
> everyone's advice, and yet, I get called a troll.
>
> [trimmed]
>
> I'll have to just pop up as another
> alias just to get a question answered properly and to edify the
> recipients of the summary we all find out together.
>
> Sincerely yours,
> the person behind the alias "Donna Ohl"

Great post "Donna". I just love your feigned innocence. If I didn't know
you better I would think it was true.

You have a good act and your eloborate hoax outclasses most of the suckers
drawn in to help you.

BTW how are nyms Tara Glidden, Donita Luddington, Bill Yanaire, etc?
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