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From: Simp on 7 Jul 2010 21:21
On 6 Lip, 02:51, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:

> So why does the same method of measuring orbital periods that works for
> every other planet give an incorrect result with Mercury?

It 'works' because GR don't predicts precession of... Moon.


Earth axial precession (equinox): 50.3 arcsec / year.
Yes?

Jupiter - Sun (second body correction):
pi/T * m/M = pi/11.86 y /1050 = 52.03 as/ y;

Earth:
pi/1 y * m/M = pi/333000 = 1.95 as / y

Observed from Earth - difference:
~50 arcsec / year; T = ~25800 years.

Moon & Sun tidal forces -> 50.3 ?
Maybe... but 0.3;
From: J. Clarke on 7 Jul 2010 21:48
On 7/7/2010 9:21 PM, Simp wrote:
> On 6 Lip, 02:51, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:
>
>> So why does the same method of measuring orbital periods that works for
>> every other planet give an incorrect result with Mercury?
>
> It 'works' because GR don't predicts precession of... Moon.

So you're saying that General Relativity correctly predicts the motion
of Mercury? Then what are you on about?

> Earth axial precession (equinox): 50.3 arcsec / year.
> Yes?
>
> Jupiter - Sun (second body correction):
> pi/T * m/M = pi/11.86 y /1050 = 52.03 as/ y;
>
> Earth:
> pi/1 y * m/M = pi/333000 = 1.95 as / y
>
> Observed from Earth - difference:
> ~50 arcsec / year; T = ~25800 years.
>
> Moon& Sun tidal forces -> 50.3 ?
> Maybe... but 0.3;

If you have a point please make it in complete sentences.

From: Simp on 9 Jul 2010 13:08
On 8 Lip, 03:48, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote:

> > It 'works' because GR don't predicts precession of... Moon.
>
> So you're saying that General Relativity correctly predicts the motion
> of Mercury?  Then what are you on about?

GR predicts optical illusion (but not exactly):

43/415 / 1296000 = 8.0e-8;

dt/t = dr/r = dphi/2pi = pi (v/c)^2;
v = 47.8 km/s;

this is 1/4 Shapiro delay (it's simple Sagnac):
dt/t = 4pi (v/c)^2;

wr = v^2 = GM/r; t = 4r/c;
===================

GR:
dphi/2pi = 3 GM/c^2p = 3/(1-e^2) GM/ac^2;

coincidence: e = ~0.206;
3/(1-e^2) = ~pi;

and you have:
dphi/2pi = pi * GM/ac^2 = pi (v/c)^2;

> > Earth axial precession (equinox): 50.3 arcsec / year.
> > Yes?
>
> > Jupiter - Sun (second body correction):
> > pi/T * m/M = pi/11.86 y /1050 = 52.03 as/ y;
>
> > Earth:
> > pi/1 y * m/M = pi/333000 = 1.95 as / y
>
> > Observed from Earth - difference:
> > ~50 arcsec / year; T = ~25800 years.
>
> > Moon&  Sun tidal forces ->  50.3 ?
> > Maybe... but 0.3;
>
> If you have a point please make it in complete sentences.

From: Peter Webb on 10 Jul 2010 02:12

In the meantime, keep drinking more fermented diarrhea of Einstein the
nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar from Einstein Dingleberries.
<shrug>

______________________________________________

I'm not sure what you believe about SR. Are there any experimental
predictions of SR which you disagree with, or do you believe that SR makes
100% correct predictions within its domain?




From: Henry Wilson DSc on 10 Jul 2010 18:25
On Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:12:31 +1000, "Peter Webb"
<webbfamily(a)DIESPAMDIEoptusnet.com.au> wrote:

>
>In the meantime, keep drinking more fermented diarrhea of Einstein the
>nitwit, the plagiarist, and the liar from Einstein Dingleberries.
><shrug>
>
>______________________________________________
>
>I'm not sure what you believe about SR. Are there any experimental
>predictions of SR which you disagree with, or do you believe that SR makes
>100% correct predictions within its domain?

There has never been a believable experiment that supports SR.

Henry Wilson...

........Einstein's Relativity...The religion that worships negative space.
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