GR prediction for precession of perihelion of Mercury is not quite right
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From: eric gisse on 5 Jul 2010 16:35 Simp wrote: [...] You are wasting your time on trying to make the androcles understand.
From: Simp on 5 Jul 2010 20:18 On 5 Lip, 16:34, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > > 56 / year = 5600 / 100y > > > 5599.7 / 100y - Observed; > > 100% Jupiter. > > So why doesn't the calculation method that successfully accounts for > Jupiter in the analysis of the orbits of the other planets work for > Mercury? Mercury is in correct place without extra precession - orbital period is shorter.
From: J. Clarke on 5 Jul 2010 20:51 On 7/5/2010 8:18 PM, Simp wrote: > On 5 Lip, 16:34, "J. Clarke"<jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >>> 56 / year = 5600 / 100y >> >>> 5599.7 / 100y - Observed; >>> 100% Jupiter. >> >> So why doesn't the calculation method that successfully accounts for >> Jupiter in the analysis of the orbits of the other planets work for >> Mercury? > > Mercury is in correct place without extra precession - > orbital period is shorter. So why does the same method of measuring orbital periods that works for every other planet give an incorrect result with Mercury?
From: eric gisse on 5 Jul 2010 21:02 Simp wrote: > On 5 Lip, 16:34, "J. Clarke" <jclarke.use...(a)cox.net> wrote: > >> > 56 / year = 5600 / 100y >> >> > 5599.7 / 100y - Observed; >> > 100% Jupiter. >> >> So why doesn't the calculation method that successfully accounts for >> Jupiter in the analysis of the orbits of the other planets work for >> Mercury? > > Mercury is in correct place without extra precession - > orbital period is shorter. Do you know the difference between perihelion advance and orbital period? I suspect you do not.
From: spudnik on 5 Jul 2010 22:00
what more hypothesis is there to "instantaenous waves" of gravity, then there was for instantaneous lightwaves, before Ole Roemer? now, if you weren't so bound-up in the Department of Einsteinmania, The Musical Dept., you'd have known about Alfven waves ... not that I really do, but see _The Big Bang Never Happened_ by E.Lerner, a student of his at UCSDiego. > The question is whether a mechanism can be identified > to define what the speed of gravity is. thus&so: TOA, means "top of atmosphere?" also, I'd appreciate more about the definition of "one optical depth." thus&so: OK, why don't you dyscuss, whether or not cap&trade is a "tax," per the WSUrinal editorials' & teaparty's mere slogan, or just another way for the bears &bulls to make money, whilst the hogs get slaughtered? (that is to say, the Next (or very Last) Bailout of Wall Street etc., including Beyondish Petroleumish, the big operators in the Gulf and Alaska ... and "the nationbuilding of E.Timor?") thus&so: the Kyoto Protocol was stricltly cap&trade, a.k.a. "free trade" of the yore of British imperialism in 1776 (whence Smith's second hoax, _The Wealth of Nations_, was published), as Waxman's wunnerful bill of '91 on NOX and SO2. maybe, it was fortunate, that someone lied to Dubya about Kyoto's true nature, or he'd surely have signed it. so, how about an actual, tiny, accountable carbon tax, instead of the next and/or last bailout of Wall Street and the City (of London, financial district & gated community) ?? the voluntary USA cap&trade, apparently partly started by Sen. Obama via private foundations, is already huge, tens of billions of dollars US per annum since 2003, although much smaller than the EU's mandatory one. > > Kyoto and Cap & Trade. thus&so: ice that is within the arctic circles never gets direct insolation over 47 degrees from horizon (or less than 43 degrees from zenith). I mean, that is not really apparent in GCMers flatscreen HDTVs. > Which sea ice (Arctic summer or Antarctic winter) affects albedo, most? thus&so: all of the Liberal Media, oWned by consWervatives, seems to agree with Emmanuel, that this is the time to install BP's old cap&trade ideals from Kyoto ... actually, first launched in '91 under Waxman and H-Dubya. thus&so: so, acid rain is the germain topic, since it was the First Cap and Trade (Waxman's '91 bill). so, what I haven't seen dyscussed in the WSUrinal e.g., is just how wonderfully this'd worked -- who made the money in the God-am "free market?" [NB, Waxman's cmte. also ran the healthcare bill; is that a conspiracy, or doe he get free drugs?] thus&so: sad to say, I missed the authors of _Doubt Merchants_, when they came to the public library, as folks around here rely on me to be the (usually) lone contrarian in Santa Monica, the capital of Green (with the help of Alcoa's largest-ever bequest to the WAND Corp., when the President was chosen to be Dubya's Treasurer ... when HDPE bags are outlawed, only criminals and baby-smotherers will have HDPE bags -- a-hem.) you bring-up 9/11 and Saddam Hussein. well, 2003 was when a) they cut-off a tenth of our supply to Californicators (with their ban on offshore drilling), and spent a huge amount of oil on the new war ... and that's when the hedgers jacked the price up, kind of a double-whammy after the "electricity crisis" from Texas and Canada. thus&so: such is the nature of an ad hoc interpretation of glaciation, that added snowfall requires a "colder" planet (and that more icebergs calving necessarily implies melting ... not according to the satellite telemetry, circa the day of the panel at UCLA, a few y.a.; citing-out two of the professors, known to me.) > increasing WV content results in stronger cyclonic systems > as much as or more than vertical lapse rate changes. thus quoth: Miskolczi said in <http://www.met.hu/doc/idojaras/vol111001_01.pdf> thus&so: what if the same guy who was the source d'Eaugate for Bernward at the Post [*], was also the Vice President, who purposely set his mattress on fire in the first tower (second was hit by a 757 filled with fuel for most of a transcontinental flight, minus the steering loop); and, so, how many mattresses'd he have'd to set, to make for a controlled demolition? well, some of us believe that he was not just the acting president -- especially since the impeachment of Bill C.. * in the theatrical parlance of editor Bradley or ms. Graham, Woodstein ne'er followed the Pennzoil money to <a-hem>; see http://tarpley.net/online-books/george-bush-the-unauthorized-biography/ --BP's cap&trade plus free beer/miles on your CO2 creds at ARCO! http://wlym.com |