GUIs - A Modest Proposal
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From: Martin v. Loewis on 11 Jun 2010 01:48 Am 10.06.2010 23:20, schrieb rantingrick: > Free up pydev and send Tkinter to the bitbucket! But if you > *do* decide to include a GUI, should it not at *least* be based on the > native widgets like PyGUI? So Tkinter is a good choice, then, as it *does* have native widgets. Regards, Martin
From: rantingrick on 11 Jun 2010 02:00 On Jun 11, 12:17 am, ant <shi...(a)uklinux.net> wrote: > I like the points about backwards compatibility. Presumably that > reason alone is enough to keep Tkinter in the standard library for a > long while. I don't see why that is a good reason. Download Tkinter and your backward compatible again. The majority don't use it anyway. I would bet that only myself, Kevin, and only a handful of others use Tkinter for anything more than education purposes. AFIK, Kevin is THE ONLY PYTHON programmer producing real professional GUI's with Tkinter -- i encourage anyone else to speak up if your out there producing real Tkinter GUI. (psst: i don't think we'll be seeing mobs in the streets, really i don't) > So would it be so awful to have Tkinter and GUI2 (whatever it is) in > the stdlib, assuming that both had equivalent functionality? That would be an atrociously horrible idea! One GUI is more than enough. Some would say one GUI is far too much. Two GUIs? Yea that'll get a warm reception from pydev. ;-)
From: Martin P. Hellwig on 11 Jun 2010 02:10 On 06/11/10 07:00, rantingrick wrote: <cut> > I would > bet that only myself, Kevin, and only a handful of others use Tkinter > for anything more than education purposes. AFIK, Kevin is THE ONLY > PYTHON programmer producing real professional GUI's with Tkinter -- i > encourage anyone else to speak up if your out there producing real > Tkinter GUI. (psst: i don't think we'll be seeing mobs in the streets, > really i don't) The Karaoke Network, Kiosk machine uses tkinter on win32 for the passcode interface (on screen keyboard). Randstad HR Solutions (before that part has been sold off) had several small database tools (which where cli orientated) using tkinter for interactivity on win linux/win32. Though I don't like tkinter either, but I don't seem to hate it as much as others do. -- mph
From: rantingrick on 11 Jun 2010 02:28 On Jun 11, 12:48 am, "Martin v. Loewis" <mar...(a)v.loewis.de> wrote: > So Tkinter is a good choice, then, as it *does* have native widgets. And it only took how many years? ;-) Ok i have a litmus test in mind, a way we can get a *real* idea of how many python programmers actually want Tkinter to stay. In the next release of Python 2.x and 3.x create a warning upon import of Tkinter that says this... """ ------------------------------- ModuleRemovalWarning: Tkinter ------------------------------- The GUI module "Tkinter" is being considered for removal from the Python stdlib FOREVER. If you use Tkinter and wish for it to stay in the stdlib you need to visit "www.savetkinter.com" and cast your vote now. The voting will end on dd/mm/yyyy so make sure to cast your vote or don't be complaining about it later. Note: Simon Cowell WILL NOT be making a celebrity appearance! """ What can pydev lose from such a test? If the numbers are large then i will jump full force behind Tkinter. But if not, we know it's time to act.
From: Mark Lawrence on 11 Jun 2010 02:46
On 11/06/2010 07:28, rantingrick wrote: > On Jun 11, 12:48 am, "Martin v. Loewis"<mar...(a)v.loewis.de> wrote: >> So Tkinter is a good choice, then, as it *does* have native widgets. > > And it only took how many years? ;-) > > Ok i have a litmus test in mind, a way we can get a *real* idea of how > many python programmers actually want Tkinter to stay. In the next > release of Python 2.x and 3.x create a warning upon import of Tkinter > that says this... > > """ > ------------------------------- > ModuleRemovalWarning: Tkinter > ------------------------------- > The GUI module "Tkinter" is being considered for removal from the > Python > stdlib FOREVER. If you use Tkinter and wish for it to stay in the > stdlib > you need to visit "www.savetkinter.com" and cast your vote now. The > voting > will end on dd/mm/yyyy so make sure to cast your vote or don't be > complaining > about it later. Note: Simon Cowell WILL NOT be making a celebrity > appearance! > """ > > What can pydev lose from such a test? If the numbers are large then i > will jump full force behind Tkinter. But if not, we know it's time to > act. > > I look forward to seeing your request on the Python bug tracker. Not holding my breath. Mark Lawrence. |