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From: Mike Jones on 5 Feb 2010 15:48
Responding to Tuxedo:

> Mike Jones wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> WOW!
>
> I should perhaps emphasise "still" as opposed to "indefinitely". I do
> believe their primary objectives are to provide useful search combined
> with selling third-party PPC ads, but I don't think they are necessarily
> engaging in big brother style profiling and data mining, unlike what I
> experienced the other day after having browsed a particular book topic
> on either Amazon or Ebay; ads on various news sites displaying books on
> that particular topic appear to be haunting me around seemingly
> unrelated web sites thereafter. Obviously someone must be selling my
> search queries, or it's the effect of a one and same PPC syndicate
> servicing various media organisations while storing search/cookie values
> derived from my browsing.
>
> Tuxedo


So you assume that because the world's largest data collection outfit,
one that sold out the Chinese to their dictatorial government, tells you
not to worry, that there is nothing to worry about?

All your experience of it and others confirms is that Google are a tad
more professional about collecting that data so people don't worry about
being tracked and profiled like cattle.

Having said that, I'm on virginmedia ATM. :(

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From: Dan C on 5 Feb 2010 23:58
On Fri, 05 Feb 2010 17:59:10 +0100, Tuxedo wrote:

> notbob wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>> How much info about your computer is it sending back to google?
>
> Good question! After all, Google, unlike the Mozilla Foundation, is of
> course a commercial organisation. Options in the "Under the Hood"
> section include "Enable phishing and malware protection and various
> "Privacy" functions to "improve browsing experience". That said,
> generally I tend to trust Google in thinking their philosophy in doing
> the right thing still holds true.

Stupid is as stupid does.


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From: John F. Morse on 6 Feb 2010 16:50
Dan C wrote:

> Stupid is as stupid does.
>


Momma always said, "Life is like a box of chocolates. You never know
what you're gonna get."

I say, "a.o.l.u is like a cesspool. You know what you are gonna find!"

Run, Danny. Run!


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When a person has -- whether they knew it or not -- already rejected the Truth, by what means do they discern a lie?
From: Eef Hartman on 23 Feb 2010 07:34
notbob <notbob(a)nothome.com> wrote:
> simple cookie google sets when visiting its search page. According to fed
> law, cookies are not to last more than one year (unless some lobbyist
> has gotten it changed). Now, look at the cookie google set in your
> browser. Last time I looked, it didn't expire till 2038! I killed it.

Of course Fed law doesn't apply here in Europe, but still:
I let firefox remove all cookies when it exits (I don't have any need
for more permanent cookies here). Of course that _is_ trusting mozilla
to do "the right thing" in their browser code.
It used to be that you could easily do so yourself, by removing the
"cookies.txt" in the script you use to start the browser, but with
the move of all of this kind of data to the sqlite databases, that
isn't THAT simple anymore.
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From: Loki Harfagr on 23 Feb 2010 14:11
Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:34:56 +0100, Eef Hartman did cat :

> notbob <notbob(a)nothome.com> wrote:
>> simple cookie google sets when visiting its search page. According to
>> fed law, cookies are not to last more than one year (unless some
>> lobbyist has gotten it changed). Now, look at the cookie google set in
>> your browser. Last time I looked, it didn't expire till 2038! I
>> killed it.
>
> Of course Fed law doesn't apply here in Europe, but still: I let firefox
> remove all cookies when it exits (I don't have any need for more
> permanent cookies here). Of course that _is_ trusting mozilla to do "the
> right thing" in their browser code. It used to be that you could easily
> do so yourself, by removing the "cookies.txt" in the script you use to
> start the browser, but with the move of all of this kind of data to the
> sqlite databases, that isn't THAT simple anymore.

that's right, though you can still try and enforce a bit with
specific transient spacelab, a PoC example below, I admit it's
rough and depends on a few stuff but it's rough and ready `-)
------
sudo su -c 'umount /dev/shm/FFFFm'
rm -rf /dev/shm/FFFF{,m} && dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/shm/FFFF bs=1M count=128
mkdir /dev/shm/FFFFm
sudo su -c 'yes|mkfs -t ext2 /dev/shm/FFFF && \
mount -t ext2 /dev/shm/FFFF /dev/shm/FFFFm -o loop && \
chown -R loki /dev/shm/FFFFm'
firefox -ProfileManager -no-remote -P in2theVoid about:config
sudo su -c 'umount /dev/shm/FFFFm'
------
(note that obviuously the first start you'll have to "create the profile"
pointer named like your -P parm ['in2theVoid' in this example])
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