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From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 21:36 On Jul 13, 9:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 5:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 8:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 5:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:18 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:44 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear mpc755: Gravity is: "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back > > > > > > > > > > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between > > > > > > > > > > > > > the attracted bodies." NoEinstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to > > > > > > > > > > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space > > > > > > > > > > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > > > > > > > > > > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow > > > > > > > > > may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > There is nothing that flows. Instead we are simply a part to the > > > > > > > > whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with > > > > > > > > c. This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are > > > > > > > > certainly not the same thing.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Absolutely everything is flowing in some way. Such is time. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Time does not flow, does not exist in nature. Time is an invention of > > > > > > man, created out of the need to coordinate himself to others and the > > > > > > environment which surrounds him. Time may only flow in the sense that > > > > > > he begins to gain knowledge of the world. But, time as a physical > > > > > > phenomena, does not exist. > > > > > > Time is a concept. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks has nothing > > > > > to do with time. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is based upon > > > > > the physical environment in which it exist. The rate at which an > > > > > atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark matter pressure in which > > > > > it exists. > > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > > or do you replace the batteries. You replace the batteries because you > > > > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause the battery > > > > operated clock to tick slower. > > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Weight is accelerated energy in gravity but it does not have to go > > > anywhere and is timeless. There is timeless energy acceleration. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Can you answer the following question? > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > or do you replace the batteries? > > > You replace the batteries because you understand what occurs > > physically in nature to cause the battery operated clock to tick > > slower. > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Is your battery in slower time? > > Mitch Raemsch Can you answer the following question? You own a batter operated clock. When the battery operated clock you own begins to tick slower has time changed or do you replace the batteries? You replace the batteries because you understand what occurs physically in nature to cause the battery operated clock to tick slower. Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it does, does not mean time has changed. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark matter pressure in which it exists.
From: GogoJF on 13 Jul 2010 22:12 On Jul 13, 8:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 5:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 8:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 5:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:18 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:44 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear mpc755: Gravity is: "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back > > > > > > > > > > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between > > > > > > > > > > > > > the attracted bodies." NoEinstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to > > > > > > > > > > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space > > > > > > > > > > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > > > > > > > > > > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow > > > > > > > > > may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > There is nothing that flows. Instead we are simply a part to the > > > > > > > > whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with > > > > > > > > c. This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are > > > > > > > > certainly not the same thing.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Absolutely everything is flowing in some way. Such is time. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Time does not flow, does not exist in nature. Time is an invention of > > > > > > man, created out of the need to coordinate himself to others and the > > > > > > environment which surrounds him. Time may only flow in the sense that > > > > > > he begins to gain knowledge of the world. But, time as a physical > > > > > > phenomena, does not exist. > > > > > > Time is a concept. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks has nothing > > > > > to do with time. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is based upon > > > > > the physical environment in which it exist. The rate at which an > > > > > atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark matter pressure in which > > > > > it exists. > > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > > or do you replace the batteries. You replace the batteries because you > > > > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause the battery > > > > operated clock to tick slower. > > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Weight is accelerated energy in gravity but it does not have to go > > > anywhere and is timeless. There is timeless energy acceleration. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Can you answer the following question? > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > or do you replace the batteries? > > > You replace the batteries because you understand what occurs > > physically in nature to cause the battery operated clock to tick > > slower. > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Is your battery in slower time? > > Mitch Raemsch > Can you answer the following question? > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > or do you replace the batteries? Can't two separate stationary observers, observe a 3rd moving object, and both believe that in reference to the moving frame, each would say that his clock is faster than the moving event. So I would say that it is time to replace the batteries.
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 22:14 On Jul 13, 10:12 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 8:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 8:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:18 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:44 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear mpc755: Gravity is: "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the attracted bodies." NoEinstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to > > > > > > > > > > > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space > > > > > > > > > > > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > > > > > > > > > > > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow > > > > > > > > > > may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing that flows. Instead we are simply a part to the > > > > > > > > > whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with > > > > > > > > > c. This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are > > > > > > > > > certainly not the same thing.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Absolutely everything is flowing in some way. Such is time. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Time does not flow, does not exist in nature. Time is an invention of > > > > > > > man, created out of the need to coordinate himself to others and the > > > > > > > environment which surrounds him. Time may only flow in the sense that > > > > > > > he begins to gain knowledge of the world. But, time as a physical > > > > > > > phenomena, does not exist. > > > > > > > Time is a concept. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks has nothing > > > > > > to do with time. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is based upon > > > > > > the physical environment in which it exist. The rate at which an > > > > > > atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark matter pressure in which > > > > > > it exists. > > > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > > > or do you replace the batteries. You replace the batteries because you > > > > > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause the battery > > > > > operated clock to tick slower. > > > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Weight is accelerated energy in gravity but it does not have to go > > > > anywhere and is timeless. There is timeless energy acceleration. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Can you answer the following question? > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > or do you replace the batteries? > > > > You replace the batteries because you understand what occurs > > > physically in nature to cause the battery operated clock to tick > > > slower. > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Is your battery in slower time? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Can you answer the following question? > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > or do you replace the batteries? > > Can't two separate stationary observers, observe a 3rd moving object, > and both believe that in reference to the moving frame, each would say > that his clock is faster than the moving event. So I would say that > it is time to replace the batteries. If we are discussing clocks moving relative to one another then that is different. The faster a clock moves through the dark matter the more dark matter the clock displaces the more dark matter there is 'displacing back'. The faster a clock moves through dark matter the greater the pressure exerted by the dark matter towards and throughout the clock, the slower the clock ticks.
From: GogoJF on 13 Jul 2010 22:16 On Jul 13, 9:12 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 8:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 8:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:18 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:44 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear mpc755: Gravity is: "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the attracted bodies." NoEinstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to > > > > > > > > > > > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space > > > > > > > > > > > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > > > > > > > > > > > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow > > > > > > > > > > may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing that flows. Instead we are simply a part to the > > > > > > > > > whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with > > > > > > > > > c. This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are > > > > > > > > > certainly not the same thing.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Absolutely everything is flowing in some way. Such is time. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Time does not flow, does not exist in nature. Time is an invention of > > > > > > > man, created out of the need to coordinate himself to others and the > > > > > > > environment which surrounds him. Time may only flow in the sense that > > > > > > > he begins to gain knowledge of the world. But, time as a physical > > > > > > > phenomena, does not exist. > > > > > > > Time is a concept. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks has nothing > > > > > > to do with time. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is based upon > > > > > > the physical environment in which it exist. The rate at which an > > > > > > atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark matter pressure in which > > > > > > it exists. > > > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > > > or do you replace the batteries. You replace the batteries because you > > > > > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause the battery > > > > > operated clock to tick slower. > > > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Weight is accelerated energy in gravity but it does not have to go > > > > anywhere and is timeless. There is timeless energy acceleration. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > Can you answer the following question? > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > or do you replace the batteries? > > > > You replace the batteries because you understand what occurs > > > physically in nature to cause the battery operated clock to tick > > > slower. > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Is your battery in slower time? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > Can you answer the following question? > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > or do you replace the batteries? > > Can't two separate stationary observers, observe a 3rd moving object, > and both believe that in reference to the moving frame, each would say > that his clock is faster than the moving event. So I would say that > it is time to replace the batteries. In other words, in reference to the dilated, moving event- as seen by more than one stationary observer- wouldn't two or more stationary observers "see" the moving event as equally slowed down?
From: mpc755 on 13 Jul 2010 22:30
On Jul 13, 10:16 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 13, 9:12 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 8:35 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 5:57 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 8:48 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 13, 5:21 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:51 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 13, 7:18 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 12, 8:17 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:44 pm, GogoJF <jfgog...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 11:31 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 9:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:59 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 10:31 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 11, 1:18 pm, NoEinstein <noeinst...(a)bellsouth.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 6:08 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear mpc755: Gravity is: "Mass proportional forces caused by flowing > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ether (energy) that is replenished by the 'hobo' ether carried back > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > into space by the photons that are constantly being exchanged between > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the attracted bodies." NoEinstein > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes it does but it is a round geometry of point that flows inward to > > > > > > > > > > > > > center with a still aether counterpart. There are two sides to space > > > > > > > > > > > > > and two sides to time. Such is time for GR and SR.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > Space does not flow into the Earth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Matter displaces dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Dark matter is not at rest when displaced and 'displaces back'. > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'displacing back' is pressure exerted by displaced dark matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > Pressure exerted by displaced dark matter towards matter is gravity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You mistake the pressure exerted by displaced dark matter for a flow. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > > > > > > "There we see the first arguments that indicate the logical necessity > > > > > > > > > > > > for quantum behaviour, at both the spatial level and at the matter > > > > > > > > > > > > level. There space is, at one of the lowest levels, a quantumfoam > > > > > > > > > > > > system undergoing ongoing classicalisation. That model suggest that > > > > > > > > > > > > gravity is caused by matter changing the processing rate of the > > > > > > > > > > > > informational system that manifests as space, and as a consequence > > > > > > > > > > > > space effectively flows towards matter. However this is not a flow > > > > > > > > > > > > of some form of matter through space, as previously considered in > > > > > > > > > > > > the aether models or in the random particulate Le Sage kinetic > > > > > > > > > > > > theory of gravity, rather the flow is an ongoing rearrangement of the > > > > > > > > > > > > quantum-foam patterns that form space, and indeed only have a > > > > > > > > > > > > geometrical description at a coarse-grained level. Then the flow in > > > > > > > > > > > > one region is relative only to the patterns in nearby regions, and not > > > > > > > > > > > > relative to some a priori background geometrical space" > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is described as "space effectively flows towards matter" is the > > > > > > > > > > > > pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the displaced dark matter > > > > > > > > > > > > towards the matter and the pressure exerted by the displaced dark > > > > > > > > > > > > matter in nearby regions towards the matter. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evidence of dark matter displacement: > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Hubble Finds Ghostly Ring of Dark Matter' > > > > > > > > > > > > hhttp://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/news/dark_matter_ring_featur... > > > > > > > > > > > > > "The simulations show that when the two clusters smash together, the > > > > > > > > > > > > dark matter falls to the center of the combined cluster and sloshes > > > > > > > > > > > > back out." > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Astronomers using NASAs Hubble Space Telescope got a first-hand view > > > > > > > > > > > > of how dark matter behaves during a titanic collision between two > > > > > > > > > > > > galaxy clusters. The wreck created a ripple of dark matter, which is > > > > > > > > > > > > somewhat similar to a ripple formed in a pond when a rock hits the > > > > > > > > > > > > water." > > > > > > > > > > > > > A rock creates a ripple by displacing the water in a pond. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The two galaxy cluster collision is analogous to a collision between > > > > > > > > > > > > two boats. The two boat collision creates a ripple in the water. The > > > > > > > > > > > > ripple occurs because the boats displace water. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The ripple occurs because the galaxy clusters displace dark matter.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > It is possible to flow instantansously in each geometric point. Flow > > > > > > > > > > > may go nowhere itself but it flows energy through its space-time. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > There is nothing that flows. Instead we are simply a part to the > > > > > > > > > > whole and operate at speeds and delays which have nothing to do with > > > > > > > > > > c. This c speed has been mixed up with "seeing" speed- but they are > > > > > > > > > > certainly not the same thing.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Absolutely everything is flowing in some way. Such is time. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > Time does not flow, does not exist in nature. Time is an invention of > > > > > > > > man, created out of the need to coordinate himself to others and the > > > > > > > > environment which surrounds him. Time may only flow in the sense that > > > > > > > > he begins to gain knowledge of the world. But, time as a physical > > > > > > > > phenomena, does not exist. > > > > > > > > Time is a concept. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks has nothing > > > > > > > to do with time. The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is based upon > > > > > > > the physical environment in which it exist. The rate at which an > > > > > > > atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark matter pressure in which > > > > > > > it exists. > > > > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > > > > or do you replace the batteries. You replace the batteries because you > > > > > > understand what occurs physically in nature to cause the battery > > > > > > operated clock to tick slower. > > > > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Weight is accelerated energy in gravity but it does not have to go > > > > > anywhere and is timeless. There is timeless energy acceleration. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > Can you answer the following question? > > > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > > or do you replace the batteries? > > > > > You replace the batteries because you understand what occurs > > > > physically in nature to cause the battery operated clock to tick > > > > slower. > > > > > Just because most people are too ignorant to understand the physical > > > > process behind what causes an atomic clock to tick at the rate it > > > > does, does not mean time has changed. > > > > > The rate at which an atomic clock ticks is determined by the dark > > > > matter pressure in which it exists.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Is your battery in slower time? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Can you answer the following question? > > > When a battery operated clock begins to tick slower has time changed > > > or do you replace the batteries? > > > Can't two separate stationary observers, observe a 3rd moving object, > > and both believe that in reference to the moving frame, each would say > > that his clock is faster than the moving event. So I would say that > > it is time to replace the batteries. > > In other words, in reference to the dilated, moving event- as seen by > more than one stationary observer- wouldn't two or more stationary > observers "see" the moving event as equally slowed down? It all depends on the state of the dark matter. If the 'stationary' observers are more at rest with respect to the dark matter then the moving observer, then yes, both observers see the moving observers clock as ticking slower. Likewise, the moving observer sees the 'stationary' observers clocks as ticking faster. Everything is with respect to the state of the dark matter. Again, let's use water as an analogy for dark matter. You have a clock with the second hand exposed and the rate it ticks is based upon the amount of water it interacts with. The more water the second hand has to interact with the slower it ticks. Three Observers, standing together, each hold a clock in a stream of moving water. One observer walks upstream against the flow of water. This clock ticks the slowest. One observer walks downstream. This clock ticks the fastest. The third observer does not move and this clock ticks faster than the clock walked upstream and slower than the clock walked downstream. |