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From: Keith on 22 Sep 2008 09:04 Hello again, I hope this topic is not closed. Anyway, I have managed to get one of the drives to boot up, and I am up and running. I do have an issue left however. I can't seem to find a way to "Image" this disk? Any software that I have used fails as it cannot see the drive. I know that this disk is Dynamic, and I believe it has a GPT partitioning scheme. Do you have any Ideas on how I could Image this drive? What the real goal is this: The disk that is operating the SBS is a Maxtor 160GB SATA 150 drive. I have purchased 2 new WD 500GB drives. I would really like to get that data copied to those drives and set up a new Raid Array. I have some more research to do as far as purchasing a Hardware Raid Controller for our server, but for the time being, I would just like to set it up again using the onboard Raid Controller of the motherboard. It is an Asus P4C800-E Deluxe. I do have the option when the server boots of rebuilding the array to one of the new drives that I had purchased, however I am unsure if this Intel Matrix Storage Software will use all of the available space of the new drive, and also, once it has finished, can I then take the 2nd new drive and hook it up and rebuild to that drive? Any suggestions would really be appreciated very much!! Thank you for your time and knowledge... "Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > I would image drive. I would then install imaged drive in working > machine, preferably Server 2003, open disk manager and mark drive > active. You may be able to mark a drive active in XP. You could even > install yet a most basic install of Server 2003 on yet another hard > drive so you could mark that drive active. > > That has worked for me a few times. It also can screw things up if you > mark the wrong drive active. > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:14:01 -0700, Keith > <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Yes, I agree. I am ordering a PCI Hardware Raid Controller today and I have > >already ordered two new HDD's. Thanks for the heads up!! > > > >Any Idea on how I can make this drive bootable again? It seems like all the > >data is on the drive, it just wont boot. I think the real problem I have is > >that I was running onboard Raid 1, and had converted them to dynamic disk's. > >It seems tring to make that drive bootable again is going to be either a > >challange, or down right impossible. Any thoughts on some software that > >might help me? Thank you... > > > >"Gorge Lucas" wrote: > > > >> Don't use these onboard raid controllers... More trouble than they are > >> worth. They are not really what I would call a proper raid controller. > >> > >> > >> "Keith" <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> news:EF33B748-C3D3-4C94-B780-8A1E3B1F7AA9(a)microsoft.com... > >> > Hello all, > >> > > >> > I need some help if someone has the time and knowledge to do so. I have a > >> > SBS 2003 Server, and Monday I came into work and the server had locked up, > >> > (crashed). I restarted only to find out the Raid 1 array that I had > >> > created > >> > has been lost and degraded. One of my HDD's failed. This shouldn't be a > >> > problem, I have dealt with this is the past on other pc's with onboard > >> > raid > >> > controllers, and have always been able to boot with a failed raid 1 array, > >> > but this time is different. It says "Error Loading Operating System". I > >> > can > >> > turn off raid in the bios, and boot into safe mode on one of the drives, > >> > but > >> > then it just restarts. I have a back up on another drive, but I would > >> > really > >> > like to get this drive to boot again. The problem I have is that it is > >> > not > >> > telling me what's wrong; it just says "Error loading operation system". > >> > > >> > The only thing that I remember as far as information you may need when I > >> > installed SBS 03 5 years ago, I used a Asus P4c800-D Deluxe Motherboard, > >> > and > >> > it used a Ich5R raid controller. I remember having to switch to "Dynamic > >> > Disk" in order to fully install SBS 03. Another really odd thing, I took > >> > the > >> > drive out that is kind of bootable, and hooked it up to a XP machine, and > >> > it > >> > only shows that the drive is around 1GB in total size when it is around > >> > 160GB > >> > in total size. > >> > > >> > I'm not sure if I should do a chk disk for fear I may mess that drive up > >> > even more. There is some data on that drive that I would really, really > >> > like > >> > to get off, or better yet have it bootable again. I can always rebuild > >> > the > >> > array later. > >> > > >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!! > >> > > >> > >> > >> > See what SBS support is working on > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx > Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >
From: Jim Behning SBS MVP on 22 Sep 2008 09:44 Backup the existing server to your usb drive. Shut down server and create a new array from the array manager. Install Server 2003 from your SBS cds. Do not go any farther than just the OS. Install same service pack on your fresh install. Create all your old partitions like D and E whatever new size you want. Open NTBackup. Catalog and restore. It should work as the old server is the same as the new server. No real need to image. You are not destroying the old drive in this process either. I do a bunch of cleanup though before I do backups. Deleting old logs from the system32\logfiles folder, emptying temp files folders, cleaning administrator profiles and such. On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:04:00 -0700, Keith <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >Hello again, > > I hope this topic is not closed. Anyway, I have managed to get one of the >drives to boot up, and I am up and running. I do have an issue left however. > I can�t seem to find a way to "Image" this disk? Any software that I have >used fails as it cannot see the drive. I know that this disk is Dynamic, and >I believe it has a GPT partitioning scheme. Do you have any Ideas on how I >could Image this drive? > >What the real goal is this: The disk that is operating the SBS is a Maxtor >160GB SATA 150 drive. I have purchased 2 new WD 500GB drives. I would >really like to get that data copied to those drives and set up a new Raid >Array. > >I have some more research to do as far as purchasing a Hardware Raid >Controller for our server, but for the time being, I would just like to set >it up again using the onboard Raid Controller of the motherboard. It is an >Asus P4C800-E Deluxe. I do have the option when the server boots of >rebuilding the array to one of the new drives that I had purchased, however I >am unsure if this Intel Matrix Storage Software will use all of the available >space of the new drive, and also, once it has finished, can I then take the >2nd new drive and hook it up and rebuild to that drive? > >Any suggestions would really be appreciated very much!! > >Thank you for your time and knowledge... > > > >"Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > >> I would image drive. I would then install imaged drive in working >> machine, preferably Server 2003, open disk manager and mark drive >> active. You may be able to mark a drive active in XP. You could even >> install yet a most basic install of Server 2003 on yet another hard >> drive so you could mark that drive active. >> >> That has worked for me a few times. It also can screw things up if you >> mark the wrong drive active. >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:14:01 -0700, Keith >> <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >Yes, I agree. I am ordering a PCI Hardware Raid Controller today and I have >> >already ordered two new HDD's. Thanks for the heads up!! >> > >> >Any Idea on how I can make this drive bootable again? It seems like all the >> >data is on the drive, it just wont boot. I think the real problem I have is >> >that I was running onboard Raid 1, and had converted them to dynamic disk's. >> >It seems tring to make that drive bootable again is going to be either a >> >challange, or down right impossible. Any thoughts on some software that >> >might help me? Thank you... >> > >> >"Gorge Lucas" wrote: >> > >> >> Don't use these onboard raid controllers... More trouble than they are >> >> worth. They are not really what I would call a proper raid controller. >> >> >> >> >> >> "Keith" <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> news:EF33B748-C3D3-4C94-B780-8A1E3B1F7AA9(a)microsoft.com... >> >> > Hello all, >> >> > >> >> > I need some help if someone has the time and knowledge to do so. I have a >> >> > SBS 2003 Server, and Monday I came into work and the server had locked up, >> >> > (crashed). I restarted only to find out the Raid 1 array that I had >> >> > created >> >> > has been lost and degraded. One of my HDD's failed. This shouldn't be a >> >> > problem, I have dealt with this is the past on other pc's with onboard >> >> > raid >> >> > controllers, and have always been able to boot with a failed raid 1 array, >> >> > but this time is different. It says "Error Loading Operating System". I >> >> > can >> >> > turn off raid in the bios, and boot into safe mode on one of the drives, >> >> > but >> >> > then it just restarts. I have a back up on another drive, but I would >> >> > really >> >> > like to get this drive to boot again. The problem I have is that it is >> >> > not >> >> > telling me what's wrong; it just says "Error loading operation system". >> >> > >> >> > The only thing that I remember as far as information you may need when I >> >> > installed SBS 03 5 years ago, I used a Asus P4c800-D Deluxe Motherboard, >> >> > and >> >> > it used a Ich5R raid controller. I remember having to switch to "Dynamic >> >> > Disk" in order to fully install SBS 03. Another really odd thing, I took >> >> > the >> >> > drive out that is kind of bootable, and hooked it up to a XP machine, and >> >> > it >> >> > only shows that the drive is around 1GB in total size when it is around >> >> > 160GB >> >> > in total size. >> >> > >> >> > I'm not sure if I should do a chk disk for fear I may mess that drive up >> >> > even more. There is some data on that drive that I would really, really >> >> > like >> >> > to get off, or better yet have it bootable again. I can always rebuild >> >> > the >> >> > array later. >> >> > >> >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!! >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> See what SBS support is working on >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >> See what SBS support is working on http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx
From: Keith on 22 Sep 2008 14:11 Thank you for the reply Jim and the great info. I do have just a few more questions if you dont mind. First of all, when you say backup the existing server to my usb drive, do you mean run a complete backup of the server? Just want to make sure because even though I have a 32GB Flash Drive, its not big enought to store a complete backup. I do have another HDD in the server that I can do a complete backup to when needed. I have been putting off untill the end of the day as it slows down the working enviroment when the backup is going. Also, do you have any quick Idea's that would help me when I do fully hook up the server today when it comes to users profiles? The profiles that are stored on the server are a week old, and when a user logs onto the server, it is going to pull over a "Old" profile and overwrite the current one that is stored on the users workstation. I am making backup copies of the profiles just in case, but Im really not sure the best way to approach this. Would simply changing the DNS IP's on the workstation back to where they need to be to connecto to the server, and then logging off the workstation do it? I would think it would because it would then save the most recent profile to the server. I have the DNS IP's on the workstations set to auto right now so they can browse the net. Our server is not the the gateway to the internet, and all I have to do to connect all the workstations back to the server is change the DNS IP and they are ready to go. I just hope that my idea works, any thoughts? Thank you again!! "Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > Backup the existing server to your usb drive. Shut down server and > create a new array from the array manager. Install Server 2003 from > your SBS cds. Do not go any farther than just the OS. Install same > service pack on your fresh install. Create all your old partitions > like D and E whatever new size you want. Open NTBackup. Catalog and > restore. It should work as the old server is the same as the new > server. No real need to image. You are not destroying the old drive in > this process either. > > I do a bunch of cleanup though before I do backups. Deleting old logs > from the system32\logfiles folder, emptying temp files folders, > cleaning administrator profiles and such. > > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:04:00 -0700, Keith > <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > > > >Hello again, > > > > I hope this topic is not closed. Anyway, I have managed to get one of the > >drives to boot up, and I am up and running. I do have an issue left however. > > I can't seem to find a way to "Image" this disk? Any software that I have > >used fails as it cannot see the drive. I know that this disk is Dynamic, and > >I believe it has a GPT partitioning scheme. Do you have any Ideas on how I > >could Image this drive? > > > >What the real goal is this: The disk that is operating the SBS is a Maxtor > >160GB SATA 150 drive. I have purchased 2 new WD 500GB drives. I would > >really like to get that data copied to those drives and set up a new Raid > >Array. > > > >I have some more research to do as far as purchasing a Hardware Raid > >Controller for our server, but for the time being, I would just like to set > >it up again using the onboard Raid Controller of the motherboard. It is an > >Asus P4C800-E Deluxe. I do have the option when the server boots of > >rebuilding the array to one of the new drives that I had purchased, however I > >am unsure if this Intel Matrix Storage Software will use all of the available > >space of the new drive, and also, once it has finished, can I then take the > >2nd new drive and hook it up and rebuild to that drive? > > > >Any suggestions would really be appreciated very much!! > > > >Thank you for your time and knowledge... > > > > > > > >"Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > > > >> I would image drive. I would then install imaged drive in working > >> machine, preferably Server 2003, open disk manager and mark drive > >> active. You may be able to mark a drive active in XP. You could even > >> install yet a most basic install of Server 2003 on yet another hard > >> drive so you could mark that drive active. > >> > >> That has worked for me a few times. It also can screw things up if you > >> mark the wrong drive active. > >> > >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:14:01 -0700, Keith > >> <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> >Yes, I agree. I am ordering a PCI Hardware Raid Controller today and I have > >> >already ordered two new HDD's. Thanks for the heads up!! > >> > > >> >Any Idea on how I can make this drive bootable again? It seems like all the > >> >data is on the drive, it just wont boot. I think the real problem I have is > >> >that I was running onboard Raid 1, and had converted them to dynamic disk's. > >> >It seems tring to make that drive bootable again is going to be either a > >> >challange, or down right impossible. Any thoughts on some software that > >> >might help me? Thank you... > >> > > >> >"Gorge Lucas" wrote: > >> > > >> >> Don't use these onboard raid controllers... More trouble than they are > >> >> worth. They are not really what I would call a proper raid controller. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> "Keith" <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> news:EF33B748-C3D3-4C94-B780-8A1E3B1F7AA9(a)microsoft.com... > >> >> > Hello all, > >> >> > > >> >> > I need some help if someone has the time and knowledge to do so. I have a > >> >> > SBS 2003 Server, and Monday I came into work and the server had locked up, > >> >> > (crashed). I restarted only to find out the Raid 1 array that I had > >> >> > created > >> >> > has been lost and degraded. One of my HDD's failed. This shouldn't be a > >> >> > problem, I have dealt with this is the past on other pc's with onboard > >> >> > raid > >> >> > controllers, and have always been able to boot with a failed raid 1 array, > >> >> > but this time is different. It says "Error Loading Operating System". I > >> >> > can > >> >> > turn off raid in the bios, and boot into safe mode on one of the drives, > >> >> > but > >> >> > then it just restarts. I have a back up on another drive, but I would > >> >> > really > >> >> > like to get this drive to boot again. The problem I have is that it is > >> >> > not > >> >> > telling me what's wrong; it just says "Error loading operation system". > >> >> > > >> >> > The only thing that I remember as far as information you may need when I > >> >> > installed SBS 03 5 years ago, I used a Asus P4c800-D Deluxe Motherboard, > >> >> > and > >> >> > it used a Ich5R raid controller. I remember having to switch to "Dynamic > >> >> > Disk" in order to fully install SBS 03. Another really odd thing, I took > >> >> > the > >> >> > drive out that is kind of bootable, and hooked it up to a XP machine, and > >> >> > it > >> >> > only shows that the drive is around 1GB in total size when it is around > >> >> > 160GB > >> >> > in total size. > >> >> > > >> >> > I'm not sure if I should do a chk disk for fear I may mess that drive up > >> >> > even more. There is some data on that drive that I would really, really > >> >> > like > >> >> > to get off, or better yet have it bootable again. I can always rebuild > >> >> > the > >> >> > array later. > >> >> > > >> >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!! > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> See what SBS support is working on > >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx > >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer > >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx > >> > See what SBS support is working on > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx > Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >
From: Jim Behning SBS MVP on 23 Sep 2008 14:12 Yes you back up the server to your usb hard drive every night with 5 copies. That would be a usb drive properly sized for backup use. You do those clicks with the SBS backup wizard. We have used Seagate drives which are about $100-140 US for 500 gigs. I have no idea what use a 32 gig drive would be for a SBS. Ideally you want at least a week or two of full server backups. I have some servers backup up 30 gigs every night and others backing up over a 100 gigs. If you did not destroy the domain then workstations will see the server with no profile drama once you set the dns back up. What do you think is in the user's profile that would get goofed up? Are you using roaming profiles? Try one and see what happens. On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:11:02 -0700, Keith <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >Thank you for the reply Jim and the great info. > >I do have just a few more questions if you dont mind. First of all, when >you say backup the existing server to my usb drive, do you mean run a >complete backup of the server? Just want to make sure because even though I >have a 32GB Flash Drive, its not big enought to store a complete backup. I >do have another HDD in the server that I can do a complete backup to when >needed. I have been putting off untill the end of the day as it slows down >the working enviroment when the backup is going. > >Also, do you have any quick Idea's that would help me when I do fully hook >up the server today when it comes to users profiles? The profiles that are >stored on the server are a week old, and when a user logs onto the server, it >is going to pull over a "Old" profile and overwrite the current one that is >stored on the users workstation. > >I am making backup copies of the profiles just in case, but Im really not >sure the best way to approach this. > >Would simply changing the DNS IP's on the workstation back to where they >need to be to connecto to the server, and then logging off the workstation do >it? I would think it would because it would then save the most recent >profile to the server. > >I have the DNS IP's on the workstations set to auto right now so they can >browse the net. Our server is not the the gateway to the internet, and all I >have to do to connect all the workstations back to the server is change the >DNS IP and they are ready to go. I just hope that my idea works, any >thoughts? > >Thank you again!! > >"Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > >> Backup the existing server to your usb drive. Shut down server and >> create a new array from the array manager. Install Server 2003 from >> your SBS cds. Do not go any farther than just the OS. Install same >> service pack on your fresh install. Create all your old partitions >> like D and E whatever new size you want. Open NTBackup. Catalog and >> restore. It should work as the old server is the same as the new >> server. No real need to image. You are not destroying the old drive in >> this process either. >> >> I do a bunch of cleanup though before I do backups. Deleting old logs >> from the system32\logfiles folder, emptying temp files folders, >> cleaning administrator profiles and such. >> >> >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:04:00 -0700, Keith >> <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> > >> >Hello again, >> > >> > I hope this topic is not closed. Anyway, I have managed to get one of the >> >drives to boot up, and I am up and running. I do have an issue left however. >> > I can�t seem to find a way to "Image" this disk? Any software that I have >> >used fails as it cannot see the drive. I know that this disk is Dynamic, and >> >I believe it has a GPT partitioning scheme. Do you have any Ideas on how I >> >could Image this drive? >> > >> >What the real goal is this: The disk that is operating the SBS is a Maxtor >> >160GB SATA 150 drive. I have purchased 2 new WD 500GB drives. I would >> >really like to get that data copied to those drives and set up a new Raid >> >Array. >> > >> >I have some more research to do as far as purchasing a Hardware Raid >> >Controller for our server, but for the time being, I would just like to set >> >it up again using the onboard Raid Controller of the motherboard. It is an >> >Asus P4C800-E Deluxe. I do have the option when the server boots of >> >rebuilding the array to one of the new drives that I had purchased, however I >> >am unsure if this Intel Matrix Storage Software will use all of the available >> >space of the new drive, and also, once it has finished, can I then take the >> >2nd new drive and hook it up and rebuild to that drive? >> > >> >Any suggestions would really be appreciated very much!! >> > >> >Thank you for your time and knowledge... >> > >> > >> > >> >"Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: >> > >> >> I would image drive. I would then install imaged drive in working >> >> machine, preferably Server 2003, open disk manager and mark drive >> >> active. You may be able to mark a drive active in XP. You could even >> >> install yet a most basic install of Server 2003 on yet another hard >> >> drive so you could mark that drive active. >> >> >> >> That has worked for me a few times. It also can screw things up if you >> >> mark the wrong drive active. >> >> >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:14:01 -0700, Keith >> >> <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >Yes, I agree. I am ordering a PCI Hardware Raid Controller today and I have >> >> >already ordered two new HDD's. Thanks for the heads up!! >> >> > >> >> >Any Idea on how I can make this drive bootable again? It seems like all the >> >> >data is on the drive, it just wont boot. I think the real problem I have is >> >> >that I was running onboard Raid 1, and had converted them to dynamic disk's. >> >> >It seems tring to make that drive bootable again is going to be either a >> >> >challange, or down right impossible. Any thoughts on some software that >> >> >might help me? Thank you... >> >> > >> >> >"Gorge Lucas" wrote: >> >> > >> >> >> Don't use these onboard raid controllers... More trouble than they are >> >> >> worth. They are not really what I would call a proper raid controller. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Keith" <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message >> >> >> news:EF33B748-C3D3-4C94-B780-8A1E3B1F7AA9(a)microsoft.com... >> >> >> > Hello all, >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I need some help if someone has the time and knowledge to do so. I have a >> >> >> > SBS 2003 Server, and Monday I came into work and the server had locked up, >> >> >> > (crashed). I restarted only to find out the Raid 1 array that I had >> >> >> > created >> >> >> > has been lost and degraded. One of my HDD's failed. This shouldn't be a >> >> >> > problem, I have dealt with this is the past on other pc's with onboard >> >> >> > raid >> >> >> > controllers, and have always been able to boot with a failed raid 1 array, >> >> >> > but this time is different. It says "Error Loading Operating System". I >> >> >> > can >> >> >> > turn off raid in the bios, and boot into safe mode on one of the drives, >> >> >> > but >> >> >> > then it just restarts. I have a back up on another drive, but I would >> >> >> > really >> >> >> > like to get this drive to boot again. The problem I have is that it is >> >> >> > not >> >> >> > telling me what's wrong; it just says "Error loading operation system". >> >> >> > >> >> >> > The only thing that I remember as far as information you may need when I >> >> >> > installed SBS 03 5 years ago, I used a Asus P4c800-D Deluxe Motherboard, >> >> >> > and >> >> >> > it used a Ich5R raid controller. I remember having to switch to "Dynamic >> >> >> > Disk" in order to fully install SBS 03. Another really odd thing, I took >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > drive out that is kind of bootable, and hooked it up to a XP machine, and >> >> >> > it >> >> >> > only shows that the drive is around 1GB in total size when it is around >> >> >> > 160GB >> >> >> > in total size. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > I'm not sure if I should do a chk disk for fear I may mess that drive up >> >> >> > even more. There is some data on that drive that I would really, really >> >> >> > like >> >> >> > to get off, or better yet have it bootable again. I can always rebuild >> >> >> > the >> >> >> > array later. >> >> >> > >> >> >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!! >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> See what SBS support is working on >> >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >> >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >> >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >> >> >> See what SBS support is working on >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx >> See what SBS support is working on http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx
From: Keith on 24 Sep 2008 10:39
Sorry about the confusion on my part, I thought you meant a usb flash drive when you said "Backup the existing server to your usb drive". Anyway, I have backed up the server completely on a spare drive. As far as the prifile issue, its ok now. The problem I thought I was going to have is this: Say a user saved a word doc a week ago on his desktop, when he logs off, the changes are saved to the server, right? Now, the server has been down for a week, and if the user has updates that same word document, when he logs onto the server for the first time since it has been down, I would think the workstation would load the profile from the last time they logged on a week ago, and overwrite that same word document with the older version of it. Thats what I was afraid was going to happen, and yes, I do use some roaming profiles. Anyway, it all worked out ok, I just made sure all the workstations were logged on, and then I booted the server up, and then after about an hour, I logged all the workstations off, and that way the server's profile file was updated to the latest changes on all the workstations. Thank you everyone for your help! "Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > Yes you back up the server to your usb hard drive every night with 5 > copies. That would be a usb drive properly sized for backup use. You > do those clicks with the SBS backup wizard. We have used Seagate > drives which are about $100-140 US for 500 gigs. I have no idea what > use a 32 gig drive would be for a SBS. Ideally you want at least a > week or two of full server backups. I have some servers backup up 30 > gigs every night and others backing up over a 100 gigs. > > If you did not destroy the domain then workstations will see the > server with no profile drama once you set the dns back up. What do you > think is in the user's profile that would get goofed up? Are you using > roaming profiles? > > Try one and see what happens. > > On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 11:11:02 -0700, Keith > <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > > >Thank you for the reply Jim and the great info. > > > >I do have just a few more questions if you dont mind. First of all, when > >you say backup the existing server to my usb drive, do you mean run a > >complete backup of the server? Just want to make sure because even though I > >have a 32GB Flash Drive, its not big enought to store a complete backup. I > >do have another HDD in the server that I can do a complete backup to when > >needed. I have been putting off untill the end of the day as it slows down > >the working enviroment when the backup is going. > > > >Also, do you have any quick Idea's that would help me when I do fully hook > >up the server today when it comes to users profiles? The profiles that are > >stored on the server are a week old, and when a user logs onto the server, it > >is going to pull over a "Old" profile and overwrite the current one that is > >stored on the users workstation. > > > >I am making backup copies of the profiles just in case, but Im really not > >sure the best way to approach this. > > > >Would simply changing the DNS IP's on the workstation back to where they > >need to be to connecto to the server, and then logging off the workstation do > >it? I would think it would because it would then save the most recent > >profile to the server. > > > >I have the DNS IP's on the workstations set to auto right now so they can > >browse the net. Our server is not the the gateway to the internet, and all I > >have to do to connect all the workstations back to the server is change the > >DNS IP and they are ready to go. I just hope that my idea works, any > >thoughts? > > > >Thank you again!! > > > >"Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > > > >> Backup the existing server to your usb drive. Shut down server and > >> create a new array from the array manager. Install Server 2003 from > >> your SBS cds. Do not go any farther than just the OS. Install same > >> service pack on your fresh install. Create all your old partitions > >> like D and E whatever new size you want. Open NTBackup. Catalog and > >> restore. It should work as the old server is the same as the new > >> server. No real need to image. You are not destroying the old drive in > >> this process either. > >> > >> I do a bunch of cleanup though before I do backups. Deleting old logs > >> from the system32\logfiles folder, emptying temp files folders, > >> cleaning administrator profiles and such. > >> > >> > >> On Mon, 22 Sep 2008 06:04:00 -0700, Keith > >> <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> > >> > > >> >Hello again, > >> > > >> > I hope this topic is not closed. Anyway, I have managed to get one of the > >> >drives to boot up, and I am up and running. I do have an issue left however. > >> > I can't seem to find a way to "Image" this disk? Any software that I have > >> >used fails as it cannot see the drive. I know that this disk is Dynamic, and > >> >I believe it has a GPT partitioning scheme. Do you have any Ideas on how I > >> >could Image this drive? > >> > > >> >What the real goal is this: The disk that is operating the SBS is a Maxtor > >> >160GB SATA 150 drive. I have purchased 2 new WD 500GB drives. I would > >> >really like to get that data copied to those drives and set up a new Raid > >> >Array. > >> > > >> >I have some more research to do as far as purchasing a Hardware Raid > >> >Controller for our server, but for the time being, I would just like to set > >> >it up again using the onboard Raid Controller of the motherboard. It is an > >> >Asus P4C800-E Deluxe. I do have the option when the server boots of > >> >rebuilding the array to one of the new drives that I had purchased, however I > >> >am unsure if this Intel Matrix Storage Software will use all of the available > >> >space of the new drive, and also, once it has finished, can I then take the > >> >2nd new drive and hook it up and rebuild to that drive? > >> > > >> >Any suggestions would really be appreciated very much!! > >> > > >> >Thank you for your time and knowledge... > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >"Jim Behning SBS MVP" wrote: > >> > > >> >> I would image drive. I would then install imaged drive in working > >> >> machine, preferably Server 2003, open disk manager and mark drive > >> >> active. You may be able to mark a drive active in XP. You could even > >> >> install yet a most basic install of Server 2003 on yet another hard > >> >> drive so you could mark that drive active. > >> >> > >> >> That has worked for me a few times. It also can screw things up if you > >> >> mark the wrong drive active. > >> >> > >> >> On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 07:14:01 -0700, Keith > >> >> <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote: > >> >> > >> >> >Yes, I agree. I am ordering a PCI Hardware Raid Controller today and I have > >> >> >already ordered two new HDD's. Thanks for the heads up!! > >> >> > > >> >> >Any Idea on how I can make this drive bootable again? It seems like all the > >> >> >data is on the drive, it just wont boot. I think the real problem I have is > >> >> >that I was running onboard Raid 1, and had converted them to dynamic disk's. > >> >> >It seems tring to make that drive bootable again is going to be either a > >> >> >challange, or down right impossible. Any thoughts on some software that > >> >> >might help me? Thank you... > >> >> > > >> >> >"Gorge Lucas" wrote: > >> >> > > >> >> >> Don't use these onboard raid controllers... More trouble than they are > >> >> >> worth. They are not really what I would call a proper raid controller. > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> "Keith" <Keith(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message > >> >> >> news:EF33B748-C3D3-4C94-B780-8A1E3B1F7AA9(a)microsoft.com... > >> >> >> > Hello all, > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I need some help if someone has the time and knowledge to do so. I have a > >> >> >> > SBS 2003 Server, and Monday I came into work and the server had locked up, > >> >> >> > (crashed). I restarted only to find out the Raid 1 array that I had > >> >> >> > created > >> >> >> > has been lost and degraded. One of my HDD's failed. This shouldn't be a > >> >> >> > problem, I have dealt with this is the past on other pc's with onboard > >> >> >> > raid > >> >> >> > controllers, and have always been able to boot with a failed raid 1 array, > >> >> >> > but this time is different. It says "Error Loading Operating System". I > >> >> >> > can > >> >> >> > turn off raid in the bios, and boot into safe mode on one of the drives, > >> >> >> > but > >> >> >> > then it just restarts. I have a back up on another drive, but I would > >> >> >> > really > >> >> >> > like to get this drive to boot again. The problem I have is that it is > >> >> >> > not > >> >> >> > telling me what's wrong; it just says "Error loading operation system". > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > The only thing that I remember as far as information you may need when I > >> >> >> > installed SBS 03 5 years ago, I used a Asus P4c800-D Deluxe Motherboard, > >> >> >> > and > >> >> >> > it used a Ich5R raid controller. I remember having to switch to "Dynamic > >> >> >> > Disk" in order to fully install SBS 03. Another really odd thing, I took > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > drive out that is kind of bootable, and hooked it up to a XP machine, and > >> >> >> > it > >> >> >> > only shows that the drive is around 1GB in total size when it is around > >> >> >> > 160GB > >> >> >> > in total size. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > I'm not sure if I should do a chk disk for fear I may mess that drive up > >> >> >> > even more. There is some data on that drive that I would really, really > >> >> >> > like > >> >> >> > to get off, or better yet have it bootable again. I can always rebuild > >> >> >> > the > >> >> >> > array later. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > Any help would be greatly appreciated, thank you!! > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> >> > >> >> See what SBS support is working on > >> >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx > >> >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer > >> >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx > >> >> > >> See what SBS support is working on > >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx > >> Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer > >> http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx > >> > See what SBS support is working on > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/default.aspx > Check your SBS with the SBS Best Practices Analyzer > http://blogs.technet.com/sbs/archive/tags/BPA/default.aspx > |