From: Phil Hobbs on
On 2/23/2010 7:13 PM, Frank Buss wrote:
> Martin Riddle wrote:
>
>> Get the Microchip ICD2. It will allow you to step thru code as a
>> emulator would.
>
> This is expensive and Microchip recommends ICD3. I think it has some nice
> features like real time debugging, but you'll need such features nearly
> never and then for bigger projects, only. Of course, when you need it for
> difficult problems, you really need it :-) Standard debugging with break
> points and single step is possible with PICkit2, too.
>

The only thing I really miss with the PICkit2 is watchpoints.

Cheers

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From: Dave Platt on
In article <1uni4qzi3ptk2$.lrd78bvmzmkk$.dlg(a)40tude.net>,
Frank Buss <fb(a)frank-buss.de> wrote:

>I can recommend PICkit 2, works without problems for me. Some time ago
>there were problems reported for PICkit 3, but maybe they have fixed it
>meanwhile.

I'm still hearing people griping about the PICkit 3 - quality control
problems with the boards, is what it sounds like.

Last year I bought a PICKit 2 clone, and a "universal programmer
board", from a Chinese vendor on eBay (seller name
"sureelectronics2"). The programmer appears to be a near-exact clone
of the original, and is presumably based on the design that Microchip
published.

I've only used it briefly (first time was last week, in fact) but it
worked out fine... programmed an 18F2220 on the first attempt, and the
chip works in the circuit.

I've used it with some open-source programming tools, released on the
Microchip website. The clone was "seen" by the software, I was able
to upgrade it to the latest PICkit 2 firmware from Microchip and
program an identifying name into it, and haven't had any difficulty
using it.

The "Universal programmer board" has three ZIF sockets for various
groups of PIC processors, and connects to one of the cables provided
with the PICkit 2 clone.

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From: David L. Jones on
coldfeet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about buying or building a PIC programmer and would
> appreciate some advice in choosing one. I've never laid hands on one
> so am I not sure what to look for.
>
> I am a hobbyist and would like to program the occasional IC just to
> simplify my circuit building. It would be nice to program a wide
> variety if chips but in reality I would probably just pick a few that
> I was comfortable with and stick to them. My programming skills
> aren't all that great. I'm comfortable with editing VB script or
> using graphical programs. If I have to I could probably learn basic
> or c. The less code I have to write the better. I would like to keep
> the price tag under $60. I've read that it's best to get one that can
> be debugged in place so that would probably be good too.
>
> Anyone have any ideas which programmer might be best for someone like
> me?

See:
http://www.eevblog.com/2010/02/22/eevblog-63-microchip-pic-vs-atmel-avr/

Get the PICkit2 or PICkit3, don't touch the build-it-yourself programmers,
they are not worth the trouble.

But it sounds like you are talking about microcontrollers in general, not
just PIC.
In which case the PICAXE orArduino are worth considering:
http://www.eevblog.com/2009/11/21/eevblog-45-arduino-picaxe-and-idiot-assembler-programmers/

PICAXE doesn't even need code, you can program them using flowcharts if you
want.

Dave.

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From: Robert Baer on
coldfeet wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I am thinking about buying or building a PIC programmer and would
> appreciate some advice in choosing one. I've never laid hands on one
> so am I not sure what to look for.
>
> I am a hobbyist and would like to program the occasional IC just to
> simplify my circuit building. It would be nice to program a wide
> variety if chips but in reality I would probably just pick a few that
> I was comfortable with and stick to them. My programming skills
> aren't all that great. I'm comfortable with editing VB script or
> using graphical programs. If I have to I could probably learn basic
> or c. The less code I have to write the better. I would like to keep
> the price tag under $60. I've read that it's best to get one that can
> be debugged in place so that would probably be good too.
>
> Anyone have any ideas which programmer might be best for someone like
> me?
>
> TIA
Sorry i cannot help now; i gave away my spare PIC-2 to someone in
England.
From: Somebody on
"coldfeet" <sixcoldfeet(a)gmail.com> wrote in message
news:d3d2b24a-baf2-4aff-a1d3-554fd9a89b99(a)33g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> I am thinking about buying or building a PIC programmer and would
> appreciate some advice in choosing one. I've never laid hands on one
> so am I not sure what to look for.

Get a PICKit2, but make sure that yours has a red pushbutton
and not a black pushbutton, otherwise the single step (or single
breakpoint, you only have one or the other) won't work for you
unless you fit two 4K7 resistors onto the target board.