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From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. on 29 Apr 2010 12:20 On Thursday 29 April 2010 10:54:47 Stephen Powell wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > > Is it worth spending $100 to > > surge and power backup protect my $1000 PC and printer? For me that > > answer is an emphatic yes. > > You make a strong case. But I come from a different perspective than > you do. I don't have any new hardware at home. The only piece of > equipment I bought new was a 4-port Ethernet router which cost me about > $20, I think. Almost everything else was either given away or thrown > away or sold used for a low price. > > Oh, wait. I did buy my powered speakers new -- about 15 years > ago. ;-) A UPS probably won't last that long (the battery isn't designed for that AFAIK). However it is something that isn't replaced often, since power has been fairly standard (V / Hz / Plug shape and polarity) for a while. For those reasons and more, a working UPS is rather hard to find when dumpster-diving. Also, clean power should make your existing hardware last longer. That might be a big plus since you may be the type that never disposes of working hardware. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss(a)iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
From: owens on 29 Apr 2010 15:40 > > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: zlinuxman(a)wowway.com >To: debian-user(a)lists.debian.org >Subject: RE: [OT] Home UPS (was Filesystem recommendations) >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) > >>On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> >>> Anyway, the way I've always looked at the residential side of the >UPS debate >>> is to ask myself this question: Is it worth spending $100 to >surge and >>> power backup protect my $1000 PC and printer? For me that answer >is an >>> emphatic yes. >> >>You make a strong case. But I come from a different perspective >than >>you do. I don't have any new hardware at home. The only piece of >>equipment I bought new was a 4-port Ethernet router which cost me >about >>$20, I think. Almost everything else was either given away or >thrown >>away or sold used for a low price. The most expensive computer I >own >>cost me somewhere around $300, I think. I bought it used 2 years >ago, >>and it's market value today is probably around $150-200. All my >monitors >>(with the exception of those built-in to laptops) are thrown-away >CRTs. >>In other words, my home hardware collection consists almost >exclusively >>of dumpster-diver specials. How much money am I willing to spend to >>protect my hardware? Probably not as much as you are. Still, it >would >>be nice to have. Maybe I'll put it on my Christmas list. :-) >> >>Oh, wait. I did buy my powered speakers new -- about 15 years >>ago. ;-) >> >>-- >> .''`. Stephen Powell >> : :' : >> `. `'` >> `- >> Also I might have an issue with Stan's use of AND. While surge protection of printers is a good idea, most UPS vendors advise against connecting the printer to the UPS for power protection Larry >> >>-- >>To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org >>with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact >listmaster(a)lists.debian.org >>Archive: http://lists.debian.org/815778928.87815.1272556487107.JavaM >ail.root(a)md01.wow.synacor.com >> >> -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/380-220104429192617734(a)netptc.net
From: Merciadri Luca on 29 Apr 2010 15:50 owens(a)netptc.net wrote: >> >> ---- Original Message ---- >> From: zlinuxman(a)wowway.com >> To: debian-user(a)lists.debian.org >> Subject: RE: [OT] Home UPS (was Filesystem recommendations) >> Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) >> >> >>> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: >>> >>>> Anyway, the way I've always looked at the residential side of the >>>> >> UPS debate >> >>>> is to ask myself this question: Is it worth spending $100 to >>>> >> surge and >> >>>> power backup protect my $1000 PC and printer? For me that answer >>>> >> is an >> >>>> emphatic yes. >>>> Same point of view here. Once upon a time, I had some pretty expensive computer hardware, and an overvoltage botched the motherboard and the CPU. I had no UPS. I have an UPS for 3 or 4 years now, and everything is pretty fine. Even if thunder sounds, I stay in front of the computer without any harm to the hardware. But it has a cost. Everything is a compromise. If your hardware is cheap, and that it is quite unlikely to thunder around your house, I would suggest you not to buy an UPS, especially if your revenues are low-income. If, on the other hand, your hardware is expensive ([inclusive] or that you have low-income revenues), you'd better buy an UPS. It really worths it. But there is not only the thunder. Here, in Belgium, it sometimes happens to have power outages, without any information before. Consequently, if you have no UPS, everything is directly powered off, and it is not an interesting thing for both your hardware and what you are currently working on. With the other computer which gave up the gost, I also lost some part of a report I was working for. No doubt I was angry. -- Merciadri Luca See http://www.student.montefiore.ulg.ac.be/~merciadri/ I use PGP. If there is an incompatibility problem with your mail client, please contact me.
From: Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. on 29 Apr 2010 15:50 On Thursday 29 April 2010 14:26:17 owens(a)netptc.net wrote: > >---- Original Message ---- > >From: zlinuxman(a)wowway.com > >To: debian-user(a)lists.debian.org > >Subject: RE: [OT] Home UPS (was Filesystem recommendations) > >Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:54:47 -0400 (EDT) > >>On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:26:52 -0400 (EDT), Stan Hoeppner wrote: > >>> Is it worth spending $100 to > >>> power backup protect my $1000 PC and printer? > > Also I might have an issue with Stan's use of AND. While surge > protection of printers is a good idea, most UPS vendors advise > against connecting the printer to the UPS for power protection It's not because the printer makes the power unclean or otherwise interferes with the correct functioning of the UPS while mains is working. They recommend against connecting printers because printers draw a large amount of power, dramatically reducing the time the UPS can maintain power to the system if the mains fails. Also, (1) I've never actually needed my printer during an outage and (2) printers generally don't suffer the same ill effects from sudden power loss that file systems do. -- Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. ,= ,-_-. =. bss(a)iguanasuicide.net ((_/)o o(\_)) ICQ: 514984 YM/AIM: DaTwinkDaddy `-'(. .)`-' http://iguanasuicide.net/ \_/
From: Camaleón on 29 Apr 2010 16:00 On Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:48:03 -0500, Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote: > On Thursday 29 April 2010 14:26:17 owens wrote: >> Also I might have an issue with Stan's use of AND. While surge >> protection of printers is a good idea, most UPS vendors advise against >> connecting the printer to the UPS for power protection > > It's not because the printer makes the power unclean or otherwise > interferes with the correct functioning of the UPS while mains is > working. They recommend against connecting printers because printers > draw a large amount of power, dramatically reducing the time the UPS can > maintain power to the system if the mains fails. Also, (1) I've never > actually needed my printer during an outage and (2) printers generally > don't suffer the same ill effects from sudden power loss that file > systems do. He, he, he... Agree. Someone tried to attach a mid-size laser printer to a UPS? (please, do not)>:-) I remember the days when I (innocently) "did so" and as soon as the printer was powered on, the UPS unit (APC Smart 1000VA) was inmediatly shutdown... and also all of the devices attached to it (the printer loaded more power than the UPS could hold). Greetings, -- Camaleón -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-user-REQUEST(a)lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster(a)lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/pan.2010.04.29.19.56.20(a)gmail.com
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