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From: Joerg on 6 Jul 2010 16:39 John Larkin wrote: > On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 15:43:44 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Damon Hill wrote: >>> Here in the Pacific Northwet, it's struggling to get into the >>> 60s and sunshine has been a scarce commodity so far this year. >>> That's supposed to change in a big way in a few days--summer >>> at last! There's still over five feet of snow on the ground >>> at Paradise on Mt. Rainier. (Actually, it's compressed slush.) >>> >>> http://www.cascadeclimber.com/web_cams.htm >>> >>> This time last year we were in the upper 90s and set an all-time >>> record high of 102F. So I'm not complaining. >>> >>> I rather like Hebrew Nation brand dogs, but the best hot dog I ever >>> had were Kominski Park. >>> >> I ate the very best burger I ever had while on a long drive on Saturday. >> If you ever have to do the whole I-5 stretch, it's the Black Bear Diner >> in Willows (between Redding and Sacramento). Li'l mom and pop place, >> very small village, everyone seemed to know everyone else there. $7.99, >> still drooling ... > > I80 yesterday: we left Truckee at 5PM. It peaked at 103F in Roseville, > down to 56 in San Francisco. Approaching the Bay, the gradient exceeds > 1 degree F per mile. > Amazing. > There's still snow on the hills up there. Boreal will be open for > skiing next weekend. > I came down the grade from the Shasta area where it was nice and balmy, and then it was just plain toasty all the way home. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Joerg on 6 Jul 2010 16:56 Charlie E. wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:38:21 -0700, Jim Thompson > <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: > >> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:00:38 -0700, Charlie E. <edmondson(a)ieee.org> >> wrote: >> >>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:01:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: > <snip> >>>> Got a link for that cooler? All the ones I saw so far were big ugly >>>> thinks that need more than the usual 12" center breakthrough, and even >>>> come sans motor. >>> Hi Joerg, >>> I just picked this one up at the local hardware store for $99. It is >>> about 30" tall, and 24" wide. You fill it through a little hatch on >>> the side. Out here, a fillup will only last about four hours, as it >>> only holds about three gallons of water. It rolls around pretty >>> easily though. Only problem I have is that it sorta 'spits' out the >>> back where the pump dumps the water to go onto the pad, so I put a >>> little bowl back there to catch it. >>> >>> You just have to remember that, it needs to be in a dry area, with >>> good ventilation, and aimed into the area where you want it to cool. >>> In our case, I put it in our living room near the front door, and aim >>> it down the hallway where Pam and my offices are. We leave windows >>> open in the living room and breakfast nook, and I open the window in >>> my office (at the far end of the house) a crack. Our winds will keep >>> the living room area warm and dry, and help blow the cool air all the >>> way to my office. >>> >>> Charlie >> How much extra load is that added humidity on the A/C ?:-) >> >> On the old house I had a 6500CFM "evap cooler" that I'd run until late >> June, then switch to A/C, but I never did morning/evening. >> >> ...Jim Thompson > > Hi Jim, > Not that much, really. Since it is so dry here, I think that even > with the thing running it doesn't increase the humidity in the house > by more than 20-30%. Pam actually like the fact that it isn't so dry > in here all the time now. It takes about an hour after we switch the > AC on to get it down to temp, say from 85 to 79. The only real > problem we saw at first was the living room. Since it was probably up > in the 90's when we start, it took several hours to really cool down. > Our solution now is to leave the fan on the cooler running, and aim it > into the living area. That seems to get the cooling now into the same > hour time frame as the rest of the house. > Hmm, that looks like that little portable swamp cooler doesn't have too much cooling power then? I wish we could hook up a big external swamp cooler but it's a Frank Lloyd Wright style house, meaning lots of windows and not a single spot where could (safely) break through a wall. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 6 Jul 2010 17:21 On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:56:36 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Charlie E. wrote: >> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:38:21 -0700, Jim Thompson >> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >> >>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:00:38 -0700, Charlie E. <edmondson(a)ieee.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:01:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >> <snip> >>>>> Got a link for that cooler? All the ones I saw so far were big ugly >>>>> thinks that need more than the usual 12" center breakthrough, and even >>>>> come sans motor. >>>> Hi Joerg, >>>> I just picked this one up at the local hardware store for $99. It is >>>> about 30" tall, and 24" wide. You fill it through a little hatch on >>>> the side. Out here, a fillup will only last about four hours, as it >>>> only holds about three gallons of water. It rolls around pretty >>>> easily though. Only problem I have is that it sorta 'spits' out the >>>> back where the pump dumps the water to go onto the pad, so I put a >>>> little bowl back there to catch it. >>>> >>>> You just have to remember that, it needs to be in a dry area, with >>>> good ventilation, and aimed into the area where you want it to cool. >>>> In our case, I put it in our living room near the front door, and aim >>>> it down the hallway where Pam and my offices are. We leave windows >>>> open in the living room and breakfast nook, and I open the window in >>>> my office (at the far end of the house) a crack. Our winds will keep >>>> the living room area warm and dry, and help blow the cool air all the >>>> way to my office. >>>> >>>> Charlie >>> How much extra load is that added humidity on the A/C ?:-) >>> >>> On the old house I had a 6500CFM "evap cooler" that I'd run until late >>> June, then switch to A/C, but I never did morning/evening. >>> >>> ...Jim Thompson >> >> Hi Jim, >> Not that much, really. Since it is so dry here, I think that even >> with the thing running it doesn't increase the humidity in the house >> by more than 20-30%. Pam actually like the fact that it isn't so dry >> in here all the time now. It takes about an hour after we switch the >> AC on to get it down to temp, say from 85 to 79. The only real >> problem we saw at first was the living room. Since it was probably up >> in the 90's when we start, it took several hours to really cool down. >> Our solution now is to leave the fan on the cooler running, and aim it >> into the living area. That seems to get the cooling now into the same >> hour time frame as the rest of the house. >> > >Hmm, that looks like that little portable swamp cooler doesn't have too >much cooling power then? > >I wish we could hook up a big external swamp cooler but it's a Frank >Lloyd Wright style house, meaning lots of windows and not a single spot >where could (safely) break through a wall. Block, or timber construction? I used a jack to hold up a row of blocks, inserted a steel "T-beam", then added ductwork from there thru a clothes closet to the furnace/AC closet. Then enclosed the clothes closet ductwork with plywood, and carpeted it. Looked like it was done originally like that... as a raised shoe shelf ;-) ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Obama: A reincarnation of Nixon, narcissistically posing in politically-correct black-face, but with fewer scruples.
From: Joerg on 6 Jul 2010 18:20 Jim Thompson wrote: > On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 13:56:36 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Charlie E. wrote: >>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:38:21 -0700, Jim Thompson >>> <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 08:00:38 -0700, Charlie E. <edmondson(a)ieee.org> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:01:15 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>> <snip> >>>>>> Got a link for that cooler? All the ones I saw so far were big ugly >>>>>> thinks that need more than the usual 12" center breakthrough, and even >>>>>> come sans motor. >>>>> Hi Joerg, >>>>> I just picked this one up at the local hardware store for $99. It is >>>>> about 30" tall, and 24" wide. You fill it through a little hatch on >>>>> the side. Out here, a fillup will only last about four hours, as it >>>>> only holds about three gallons of water. It rolls around pretty >>>>> easily though. Only problem I have is that it sorta 'spits' out the >>>>> back where the pump dumps the water to go onto the pad, so I put a >>>>> little bowl back there to catch it. >>>>> >>>>> You just have to remember that, it needs to be in a dry area, with >>>>> good ventilation, and aimed into the area where you want it to cool. >>>>> In our case, I put it in our living room near the front door, and aim >>>>> it down the hallway where Pam and my offices are. We leave windows >>>>> open in the living room and breakfast nook, and I open the window in >>>>> my office (at the far end of the house) a crack. Our winds will keep >>>>> the living room area warm and dry, and help blow the cool air all the >>>>> way to my office. >>>>> >>>>> Charlie >>>> How much extra load is that added humidity on the A/C ?:-) >>>> >>>> On the old house I had a 6500CFM "evap cooler" that I'd run until late >>>> June, then switch to A/C, but I never did morning/evening. >>>> >>>> ...Jim Thompson >>> Hi Jim, >>> Not that much, really. Since it is so dry here, I think that even >>> with the thing running it doesn't increase the humidity in the house >>> by more than 20-30%. Pam actually like the fact that it isn't so dry >>> in here all the time now. It takes about an hour after we switch the >>> AC on to get it down to temp, say from 85 to 79. The only real >>> problem we saw at first was the living room. Since it was probably up >>> in the 90's when we start, it took several hours to really cool down. >>> Our solution now is to leave the fan on the cooler running, and aim it >>> into the living area. That seems to get the cooling now into the same >>> hour time frame as the rest of the house. >>> >> Hmm, that looks like that little portable swamp cooler doesn't have too >> much cooling power then? >> >> I wish we could hook up a big external swamp cooler but it's a Frank >> Lloyd Wright style house, meaning lots of windows and not a single spot >> where could (safely) break through a wall. > > Block, or timber construction? > Timber. > I used a jack to hold up a row of blocks, inserted a steel "T-beam", > then added ductwork from there thru a clothes closet to the furnace/AC > closet. > Ain't that easy here. Just about every wall is windows, or chimney, or some other functional type. The only places where there would be cutting opportunity is from two different attics into the hallway and into the living room. But having a swamp cooler in there with the occasional standing water will attract rodents, and pronto. Don't want those in there. > Then enclosed the clothes closet ductwork with plywood, and carpeted > it. Looked like it was done originally like that... as a raised shoe > shelf ;-) > The walk-in closets are another oppportunity but it would just blow into clothes, not the living room. And SWMBO wouldn't like that anyhow. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jim Thompson on 6 Jul 2010 18:29
On Tue, 06 Jul 2010 15:20:16 -0700, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jim Thompson wrote: [snip] >> >> Block, or timber construction? >> > >Timber. > > >> I used a jack to hold up a row of blocks, inserted a steel "T-beam", >> then added ductwork from there thru a clothes closet to the furnace/AC >> closet. >> > >Ain't that easy here. Just about every wall is windows, or chimney, or >some other functional type. The only places where there would be cutting >opportunity is from two different attics into the hallway and into the >living room. But having a swamp cooler in there with the occasional >standing water will attract rodents, and pronto. Don't want those in there. Standing water ?? The only "water" would be in the swamp cooler, and that's external to the house. > > >> Then enclosed the clothes closet ductwork with plywood, and carpeted >> it. Looked like it was done originally like that... as a raised shoe >> shelf ;-) >> > >The walk-in closets are another oppportunity but it would just blow into >clothes, not the living room. And SWMBO wouldn't like that anyhow. You don't have supply yards, like we do around here, where you can buy pre-formed ductwork, and all the sheet-metal fittings to tie it all together? Actually I had three custom pieces made... adapter from cooler to 30"x8" duct, 6'x30"x8" duct, and adapter from there thru the "cut-off slide" into the house ductwork. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | Obama: A reincarnation of Nixon, narcissistically posing in politically-correct black-face, but with fewer scruples. |