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From: BURT on 7 Jul 2010 14:28 On Jul 7, 6:58 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 6, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 3:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 2:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 6, 12:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 8:43 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 5:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 7:17 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 1:43 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Point mass can in no way rotate. Spin is for a changing size of > > > > > > > > > > rotation. Particles never rotate or have changes in size. > > > > > > > > > > > But they do vibrate by their quantum aether wave flow push. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > Nobody ever said a point particle had to rotate. > > > > > > > > > But they say Spin which is even more nonsensical. Spin is for changing > > > > > > > > sizes of rotation rate; like an ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > A body does not need > > > > > > > > > to be rotating to possess angular momentum. > > > > > > > > Spin is an operator on a Hilbert space. It has nothing to do with > > > > > > > classical rotation.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Yes. But that makes it nonsense. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > No, it doesn't. It means it's a word that you recognize from somewhere > > > > > else that is being used with a new and different definition. So the > > > > > FIRST thing to do is to ask what this new and different definition of > > > > > "spin" is, so that you will not continue to be confused. > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > You show me how a mathematical point particle can rotate. > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't involve rotation of any > > > kind. > > > The Nobel Committee told me we don't know what we are measuring when > > we measure spin. > > Mitch, get some food. Your blood sugar is down. > > > > > > > Do you know what we are measuring then? > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > No. It doesn't happen. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Its an honest question. Point particles don't rotate. Mitch Raemsch
From: PD on 7 Jul 2010 17:20 On Jul 7, 1:28 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 7, 6:58 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 6, 3:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 6, 2:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 12:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 8:43 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 5:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 7:17 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 1:43 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Point mass can in no way rotate. Spin is for a changing size of > > > > > > > > > > > rotation. Particles never rotate or have changes in size. > > > > > > > > > > > > But they do vibrate by their quantum aether wave flow push. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody ever said a point particle had to rotate. > > > > > > > > > > But they say Spin which is even more nonsensical. Spin is for changing > > > > > > > > > sizes of rotation rate; like an ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > A body does not need > > > > > > > > > > to be rotating to possess angular momentum. > > > > > > > > > Spin is an operator on a Hilbert space. It has nothing to do with > > > > > > > > classical rotation.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Yes. But that makes it nonsense. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. It means it's a word that you recognize from somewhere > > > > > > else that is being used with a new and different definition. So the > > > > > > FIRST thing to do is to ask what this new and different definition of > > > > > > "spin" is, so that you will not continue to be confused. > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > You show me how a mathematical point particle can rotate. > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't involve rotation of any > > > > kind. > > > > The Nobel Committee told me we don't know what we are measuring when > > > we measure spin. > > > Mitch, get some food. Your blood sugar is down. > > > > Do you know what we are measuring then? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > No. It doesn't happen. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Its an honest question. Point particles don't rotate. What's your question? Point particles don't rotate. Quantum mechanical spin isn't a rotation of any kind. Point particles have quantum mechanical spin. What's the problem again? > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: BURT on 7 Jul 2010 17:47 On Jul 7, 2:20 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 7, 1:28 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 6:58 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 6, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 3:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 2:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 12:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 8:43 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 5:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 7:17 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 1:43 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Point mass can in no way rotate. Spin is for a changing size of > > > > > > > > > > > > rotation. Particles never rotate or have changes in size. > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they do vibrate by their quantum aether wave flow push. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody ever said a point particle had to rotate. > > > > > > > > > > > But they say Spin which is even more nonsensical. Spin is for changing > > > > > > > > > > sizes of rotation rate; like an ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > A body does not need > > > > > > > > > > > to be rotating to possess angular momentum. > > > > > > > > > > Spin is an operator on a Hilbert space. It has nothing to do with > > > > > > > > > classical rotation.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Yes. But that makes it nonsense. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. It means it's a word that you recognize from somewhere > > > > > > > else that is being used with a new and different definition. So the > > > > > > > FIRST thing to do is to ask what this new and different definition of > > > > > > > "spin" is, so that you will not continue to be confused. > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > You show me how a mathematical point particle can rotate. > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't involve rotation of any > > > > > kind. > > > > > The Nobel Committee told me we don't know what we are measuring when > > > > we measure spin. > > > > Mitch, get some food. Your blood sugar is down. > > > > > Do you know what we are measuring then? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > No. It doesn't happen. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Its an honest question. Point particles don't rotate. > > What's your question? > Point particles don't rotate. > Quantum mechanical spin isn't a rotation of any kind. > Point particles have quantum mechanical spin. The Nobel Committee says that spin is something that we don't even know what we are measuring. Point particles don't change sizes or rotate. > What's the problem again? Spin is a wrong concept and is even undefined. Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: PD on 7 Jul 2010 18:36 On Jul 7, 4:47 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 7, 2:20 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 7, 1:28 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 7, 6:58 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 6, 3:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 2:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 12:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 8:43 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 5:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 7:17 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 1:43 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Point mass can in no way rotate. Spin is for a changing size of > > > > > > > > > > > > > rotation. Particles never rotate or have changes in size. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But they do vibrate by their quantum aether wave flow push. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody ever said a point particle had to rotate. > > > > > > > > > > > > But they say Spin which is even more nonsensical. Spin is for changing > > > > > > > > > > > sizes of rotation rate; like an ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > > A body does not need > > > > > > > > > > > > to be rotating to possess angular momentum. > > > > > > > > > > > Spin is an operator on a Hilbert space. It has nothing to do with > > > > > > > > > > classical rotation.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > Yes. But that makes it nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. It means it's a word that you recognize from somewhere > > > > > > > > else that is being used with a new and different definition.. So the > > > > > > > > FIRST thing to do is to ask what this new and different definition of > > > > > > > > "spin" is, so that you will not continue to be confused. > > > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > You show me how a mathematical point particle can rotate. > > > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't involve rotation of any > > > > > > kind. > > > > > > The Nobel Committee told me we don't know what we are measuring when > > > > > we measure spin. > > > > > Mitch, get some food. Your blood sugar is down. > > > > > > Do you know what we are measuring then? > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > No. It doesn't happen. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Its an honest question. Point particles don't rotate. > > > What's your question? > > Point particles don't rotate. > > Quantum mechanical spin isn't a rotation of any kind. > > Point particles have quantum mechanical spin. > > The Nobel Committee says There's your blood sugar acting up again. > that spin is something that we don't even > know what we are measuring. Point particles don't change sizes or > rotate. > > > What's the problem again? > > Spin is a wrong concept and is even undefined. That's not true, Mitch. It is perfectly well defined. The fact that you don't know what quantum mechanical spin means does not mean that it is not defined. It means that you haven't found what the definition is. > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: Igor on 8 Jul 2010 11:51
On Jul 7, 2:28 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Jul 7, 6:58 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 7:55 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 6, 3:40 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 6, 4:49 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 6, 2:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 12:56 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 6, 8:43 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 5:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 7:17 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Jul 5, 1:43 am, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Point mass can in no way rotate. Spin is for a changing size of > > > > > > > > > > > rotation. Particles never rotate or have changes in size. > > > > > > > > > > > > But they do vibrate by their quantum aether wave flow push. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody ever said a point particle had to rotate. > > > > > > > > > > But they say Spin which is even more nonsensical. Spin is for changing > > > > > > > > > sizes of rotation rate; like an ice skater pulling in her arms. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > A body does not need > > > > > > > > > > to be rotating to possess angular momentum. > > > > > > > > > Spin is an operator on a Hilbert space. It has nothing to do with > > > > > > > > classical rotation.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Yes. But that makes it nonsense. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > No, it doesn't. It means it's a word that you recognize from somewhere > > > > > > else that is being used with a new and different definition. So the > > > > > > FIRST thing to do is to ask what this new and different definition of > > > > > > "spin" is, so that you will not continue to be confused. > > > > > > > PD- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > You show me how a mathematical point particle can rotate. > > > > > It doesn't. Quantum mechanical spin doesn't involve rotation of any > > > > kind. > > > > The Nobel Committee told me we don't know what we are measuring when > > > we measure spin. > > > Mitch, get some food. Your blood sugar is down. > > > > Do you know what we are measuring then? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > No. It doesn't happen. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Its an honest question. Point particles don't rotate. > > Mitch Raemsch Point particles don't wear underwear either. What's your point? |