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From: John McWilliams on 14 Jul 2010 10:23 Wes Groleau wrote: > On 07-13-2010 23:53, David Empson wrote: >> If you move the application anywhere else and then apply a software >> update, the files that form part of the update are installed where the >> application was supposed to be, not where you moved it. This leaves you >> with a broken partial copy of the application in its "correct" location. > > It surprises me that after ten years of OS X, > Apple still hasnât fixed this. Another view is: It's not broken. One is simply ill advised to move apps out of the apps folder. -- john mcwilliams
From: Wes Groleau on 14 Jul 2010 12:05 On 07-14-2010 10:23, John McWilliams wrote: > Wes Groleau wrote: >> On 07-13-2010 23:53, David Empson wrote: >>> If you move the application anywhere else and then apply a software >>> update, the files that form part of the update are installed where the >>> application was supposed to be, not where you moved it. This leaves you >>> with a broken partial copy of the application in its "correct" location. >> >> It surprises me that after ten years of OS X, >> Apple still hasn't fixed this. > > Another view is: It's not broken. One is simply ill advised to move apps > out of the apps folder. I agree with the latter part--but only because it's broken! Unless one had advance knowledge Apple had implemented this thing so sloppily, one would have no reason to assume that moving a huge number of applications into topical groups would be risky. And then after doing so, and running an update, finding stuff not working and not knowing why--the obvious conclusion (and the correct one, in my opinion) is that the updater is broken. This is especially true for anyone who already has experience with updaters--some of them from Apple!--that FIND the item and update it where ever it happens to be, and if it finds more than one, asks you to select. At least there's one consolation to the lazy approach Apple took: by assuming the whole thing is there, they fail to create intermediate directories, so _some_ updates will at least say no such directory. -- Wes Groleau Can we afford to be relevant? http://www.cetesol.org/stevick.html
From: John McWilliams on 14 Jul 2010 12:12 Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <i1kh8j$4f0$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> If you move the application anywhere else and then apply a software >>>> update, the files that form part of the update are installed where >>>> the application was supposed to be, not where you moved it. This >>>> leaves you with a broken partial copy of the application in its >>>> "correct" location. >>> It surprises me that after ten years of OS X, Apple still hasnât fixed >>> this. >> Another view is: It's not broken. One is simply ill advised to move apps >> out of the apps folder. > > One think I don't like is that you have to keep the iWork apps inside the > iWork folder in the Applications folder in order to update them. If you > move them directly into the Applications folder, the updater can't find > them. I'm not crazy about that either, but I've moved from complete customization of apps and their locations in Systems 9.xx and earlier, to just 'letting it be' in the Apps folder. I feel I make good use of the Tool Bar, which I keep at the bottom of my screens. I have it organized by function- music apps, image apps, writing apps are grouped together. Gosh and golly, remember when updating an app took some care- where we might first copy the app, and update the copy to make sure it went all right? That to d/l some updaters took eons, that it was sometimes prudent to run an app that kept track of where all the pieces went? Not that long ago, in real years; centuries in electronics time. -- john mcwilliams
From: John McWilliams on 14 Jul 2010 12:32 Wes Groleau wrote: > On 07-14-2010 10:23, John McWilliams wrote: >> Wes Groleau wrote: >>> On 07-13-2010 23:53, David Empson wrote: >>>> If you move the application anywhere else and then apply a software >>>> update, the files that form part of the update are installed where the >>>> application was supposed to be, not where you moved it. This leaves you >>>> with a broken partial copy of the application in its "correct" >>>> location. >>> >>> It surprises me that after ten years of OS X, >>> Apple still hasnât fixed this. >> >> Another view is: It's not broken. One is simply ill advised to move apps >> out of the apps folder. > > I agree with the latter part--but only because it's broken! > > Unless one had advance knowledge Apple had implemented this thing > so sloppily, one would have no reason to assume that moving a huge > number of applications into topical groups would be risky. > > And then after doing so, and running an update, finding stuff > not working and not knowing why--the obvious conclusion (and the > correct one, in my opinion) is that the updater is broken. > > This is especially true for anyone who already has experience > with updaters--some of them from Apple!--that FIND the item > and update it where ever it happens to be, and if it finds > more than one, asks you to select. > > At least there's one consolation to the lazy approach Apple took: > by assuming the whole thing is there, they fail to create intermediate > directories, so _some_ updates will at least say no such directory. I keep but one copy only of a given application, sometimes keeping a previous version by changing its name (adding the v. number). All in the apps directory (OMG, I am using PC talk!) er, folder. I've simply not had a problem with any update since 10.1, on any of five Macs. Now, did Apple clearly and importantly warn us that we should not put apps anywhere but the app folder? I simply don't recall, but do recall reading about updaters not working all the time unless it was so. So I broke my old habits of organization in the Finder. I do it in the Tool Bar to a small degree, and the Find functions are so good now, I don't need to slot stuff in folders to easily find. -- john mcwilliams
From: Wes Groleau on 14 Jul 2010 17:53
On 07-14-2010 12:32, John McWilliams wrote: > I keep but one copy only of a given application, sometimes keeping a > previous version by changing its name (adding the v. number). All in the > apps directory (OMG, I am using PC talk!) er, folder. I've simply not > had a problem with any update since 10.1, on any of five Macs. It's been a long time since I had a problem, too—because, like you, I gave up a perfectly reasonable practice simply because it was incompatible with Apple's stupid design decision. (To be fair, Adobe, Microsoft, and others—but not everybody—made the same stupid decision.) However, I still have my apps in logical groups. I just have to use "ln -s" instead of "mv" :-) -- Wes Groleau Promote multi-use trails in northeast Indiana! http://www.NorthwestAllenTrails.org/ |