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From: Richard Maine on 7 Apr 2010 01:44
John McWilliams <jpmcw(a)comcast.net> wrote:

> Tinkerer Atlarge wrote:

> > Unfortunately I am currently doing something which requires frequent
> > reboots..
>
> What, prithee, is that something?

I'm not the OP, but I can sure imagine plenty of things. I reboot the
machine I'm posting this from pretty often because I'm playing a game on
it in Windows (using Boot Camp - the game is an old enough one that it
sort of runs ok in VMWare, but only sort of).

I'm not seeing annoyingly slow shutdowns though. But then I don't run
Norton. The biggest related annoyance that I see is that there is no way
to tell it to reboot into Windows and then walk away while it does so
(perhaps to grab a snack or something). I have to sit there and hold the
option key faithfully (let it up at the wrong time and I get to try
again from the start) until it gets to where I can select the boot
partition.

Yes, I know about being able to set the default boot partition to
Windows. That isn't useful for the purpose. That is for a permament
change of the default. You then have to change it back to boot back into
OS X. Changing the default every time you reboot is more hassle than
just mashing the option key. I'd like to have an icon or something that
makes it override the default and reboot into Windows just this one
time; next time I reboot I'll most likely want to do so back to OS X.

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From: Jolly Roger on 7 Apr 2010 11:30
In article <jollyroger-CEC986.21434806042010(a)news.individual.net>,
Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:

> In article <1jgktj9.113pu6b18zi2wmN%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
>
> > Jolly Roger <jollyroger(a)pobox.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <1jgiv8b.1j8is5s9mdov9N%tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au>,
> > > tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au (Tinkerer Atlarge) wrote:
> > >
> > > > My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut down.
> > > > This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes
> > > > 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
> > >
> > > I'm betting a peek at the /var/log/system.log file would tell you
> > > exactly why it's taking so long.
> >
> > Here is all I can find in /var/log/system.log relating to the previous
> > shut-down. It doesn't seem to cover anything like the 30 seconds of blue
> > screen with little black twirly-gig at bottom. Maybe you can spot
> > something:
> >
> > Apr 7 11:23:07 eMac /Library/Application
> > Support/Symantec/Scheduler/SymSecondaryLaunch.app/Contents/NortonMissedT
> > asks: uid 501 already done\n
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:01 eMac loginwindow[167]: sendQuitEventToApp (HOMERunner):
> > AESendMessage returned error -609
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:01 eMac loginwindow[167]: sendQuitEventToApp
> > (N124U_ButtonManager): AESendMessage returned error -609
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:01 eMac loginwindow[167]: sendQuitEventToApp
> > (N067U_ButtonManager): AESendMessage returned error -609
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:02 eMac shutdown: halt by tinkerer:
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:03 eMac SystemStarter[248]: authentication service (264)
> > did not complete successfully
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:03 eMac kernel[0]: jnl: close: flushing the buffer cache
> > (start 0x6d2e00 end 0x6d6000)
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:03 eMac SystemStarter[248]: File Deletion Tracking (256)
> > did not complete successfully
> >
> > Apr 7 11:27:03 eMac SystemStarter[248]: SymDC Extension Selection (276)
> > did not complete successfully
> >
> >
> > Apr 7 11:28:31 localhost kernel[0]: standard timeslicing quantum is
> > 10000 us ...
>
> You're running Norton - that's very likely the problem.

Symantec software on Mac is notoriously buggy and problematic. I'd get
rid of it if I were you. It's very likely causing more problems than it
would solve.

Also, according to the log entries above, these processes are returning
errors rather than quitting on shutdown, which could definitely cause
shut downs to take longer, since they are likely effectively refusing to
quit:

HOMERunner: error -609
N124U_ButtonManager: error -609
N067U_ButtonManager: error -609

Here's all I see on this particular error:

Mac OS error -609 (connectionInvalid): connectionInvalid

<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT2237?viewlocale=en_US>

I would try uninstalling the problem applications above as well.

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From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 7 Apr 2010 12:56

Tinkerer Atlarge wrote:
> Erik Richard Sørensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote:
>> Király wrote:
>>> Tinkerer Atlarge <tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>>>> My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut down.
>>>> This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes
>>>> 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
>>>>
>>>> Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
>>> Could it be that it's taking longer to log off than to actually shut
>>> down? Try logging out of your primary user account and then shut down
>>> from the login window or from a different user account. Is that any
>>> faster?
>>>
>>> PS shutting a Mac down is really only necessary if you need to remove
>>> the battery (laptop) or unplug it (desktop). If you don't need to do
>>> either of those, you would probably benefit from using sleep mode
>>> instead of shutting down.
>> It looks as if the OP's Mac could be a G4, and then there are lots of
>> problems to let it go to sleep, since sleep isn't supported with mounted
>> extra PCI cards such as USB 2.0, SCSI or Firewire cards...
>
> Yes, it's a 1GHz G4.
>
>> My guess is that more log and/or cache files are open or very large
>> activity log files are not stored or deleted, caches not emptied, and
>> the temporary files are not deleted at close down. It is known that temp
>> files sometimes can cause this especially on 10.3.x and 10.4.x on G4s. -
>> Some of my friends have the exact same problem with their older dual
>> G4/533mhz, so I'll have to go out there to see, if I'm right about my
>> thoughts.... MainMenu 1.7.4 can delete all these stored caches, temp
>> files and more, - if you can find the ver. 1.7.4 anymore. The new ver.
>> 2.x is no longer freeware.
>
> Thanx. I have now done that. It might have made it shut down a bit
> faster, but it still seems slow to me.
>
> The longest stretch is after it goes to the blue screen with the little
> black twirly-gig at the bottom. That lasts about 30 seconds.

The 30 secs. delay is normal for a G4, if you have lots of apps and
data. The more the HD is filled, the longer time it also will take,
since it's in the 'blue interval' the computer is closing everything
internal and deleting the temp files.

I have a dual 1ghz G4 MDD with both 10.4.11 and 10.5.8, and it takes
definitely a lot longer time for it to close down, when booted from
10.4, because it is on that disk most of the apps are located, where the
10.5 disk is nearly a 'clean install'. The 10.4 disk is a
80gb/7200rpm/8mb cache disk with just about 25gb left free, - the same
is the 10.5 disk, but with apprx. 55gb free space. - The storage disks
are 2x200gb disks on that machine - used for data storage, - one though
partitioned 40+160 and the 40gb used for a non-bootable classic
envirement...

Cheers, Erik Richard

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From: Jolly Roger on 7 Apr 2010 21:16
In article <4bbcb933$0$4804$ba624c82(a)nntp02.dk.telia.net>,
Erik Richard S�rensen <NOSPAM(a)NOSPAM.dk> wrote:

> The more the HD is filled, the longer time it also will take,
> since it's in the 'blue interval' the computer is closing everything
> internal and deleting the temp files.

ROFLMAO!

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From: Wes Groleau on 8 Apr 2010 01:55
On 04-07-2010 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
> Symantec software on Mac is notoriously buggy and problematic. I'd get
> rid of it if I were you. It's very likely causing more problems than it
> would solve.

http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/nervous.html

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