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From: Jolly Roger on 8 Apr 2010 10:50
In article <hpjr4c$v5u$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>,
Wes Groleau <Groleau+news(a)FreeShell.org> wrote:

> On 04-07-2010 11:30, Jolly Roger wrote:
> > Symantec software on Mac is notoriously buggy and problematic. I'd get
> > rid of it if I were you. It's very likely causing more problems than it
> > would solve.
>
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/unix-koans/nervous.html

Indeed.

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From: Paul Sture on 10 Apr 2010 05:43
In article <T3wun.900$z%6.186(a)edtnps83>, me(a)home.spamsucks.ca (Kir�ly)
wrote:

> Tinkerer Atlarge <tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut down.
> > This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5 or iTunes
> > 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
> >
> > Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
>
> Could it be that it's taking longer to log off than to actually shut
> down? Try logging out of your primary user account and then shut down
> from the login window or from a different user account. Is that any
> faster?

My G4 PowerBook running 10.5.8 also seems to be taking longer to shut
down recently. I'll try that.

Hmm. I ought to try shutting Apache down as well before I do the full
shutdown.

> PS shutting a Mac down is really only necessary if you need to remove
> the battery (laptop) or unplug it (desktop). If you don't need to do
> either of those, you would probably benefit from using sleep mode
> instead of shutting down.

But when I'm disconnecting my PowerBook to take it elsewhere I do shut
it down, if only to ensure that the external disks are dismounted
correctly before unplugging them.

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From: Paul Sture on 10 Apr 2010 05:51
In article <1jgjt5x.1k17dzv1vp0mvaN%nospam(a)see.signature>,
nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:

> The biggest related annoyance that I see is that there is no way
> to tell it to reboot into Windows and then walk away while it does so
> (perhaps to grab a snack or something). I have to sit there and hold the
> option key faithfully (let it up at the wrong time and I get to try
> again from the start) until it gets to where I can select the boot
> partition.
>
> Yes, I know about being able to set the default boot partition to
> Windows. That isn't useful for the purpose. That is for a permament
> change of the default. You then have to change it back to boot back into
> OS X. Changing the default every time you reboot is more hassle than
> just mashing the option key. I'd like to have an icon or something that
> makes it override the default and reboot into Windows just this one
> time; next time I reboot I'll most likely want to do so back to OS X.

I had the same problem when I had a dual boot Linux/Windows system. I
wanted to set a reboot in progress then grab a sandwich or cup of tea
without sitting there.

I solved that by putting LILO on a floppy and setting the thing up so
that floppy-in booted Linux and floppy-out booted Windows (or was it the
other way around?). Either way I could control which system booted by
inserting or ejecting the floppy.

I wonder if a similar setup could be achieved for OS X, using a USB
stick instead of a floppy? And GRUB nowadays instead of LILO:

<http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622>

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From: Tim McNamara on 10 Apr 2010 10:56
In article <paul.nospam-0D07D1.11430310042010(a)pbook.sture.ch>,
Paul Sture <paul.nospam(a)sture.ch> wrote:

> In article <T3wun.900$z%6.186(a)edtnps83>, me(a)home.spamsucks.ca
> (Kir�ly) wrote:
>
> > Tinkerer Atlarge <tinkerer(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> > > My powerpc mac (OSX 10.4.11) suddenly takes a lot longer to shut
> > > down. This might have been caused by auto-updates to Safari 4.0.5
> > > or iTunes 9.1. I can't think of any other reason.
> > >
> > > Does anyone know a way to make it shut down faster ?
> >
> > Could it be that it's taking longer to log off than to actually
> > shut down? Try logging out of your primary user account and then
> > shut down from the login window or from a different user account.
> > Is that any faster?
>
> My G4 PowerBook running 10.5.8 also seems to be taking longer to shut
> down recently. I'll try that.
>
> Hmm. I ought to try shutting Apache down as well before I do the full
> shutdown.

Every app you have running has to be shut down before system shutdown.
Lots of people leave apps running all the time, either hiding them or
closing all the windows. Plus there are a slew of Unix programs
running, too (just use the Activity Monitor to have a peek).

> > PS shutting a Mac down is really only necessary if you need to
> > remove the battery (laptop) or unplug it (desktop). If you don't
> > need to do either of those, you would probably benefit from using
> > sleep mode instead of shutting down.
>
> But when I'm disconnecting my PowerBook to take it elsewhere I do
> shut it down, if only to ensure that the external disks are
> dismounted correctly before unplugging them.

That's unnecessary. If you've unmounted the drive, it's unmounted.
Shutting down doesn't improve the unmounting. Drag the icon to the
trash or click the unmount button in a Finder window and unplug after
the icon disappears off the desktop (I wait a few seconds just to be
sure everything is done and for the drive to stop spinning).

My laptop sometimes goes for months without rebooting, which I generally
only do when doing system updates and it's required.

Leaving the system running allows the Mac to do some automated
housekeeping tasks that are run by cron in the middle of the night.

http://www.thexlab.com/faqs/maintscripts.html
From: Erik Richard Sørensen on 10 Apr 2010 23:03

Paul Sture wrote:
> nospam(a)see.signature (Richard Maine) wrote:
>> The biggest related annoyance that I see is that there is no way
>> to tell it to reboot into Windows and then walk away while it does so
>> (perhaps to grab a snack or something). I have to sit there and hold the
>> option key faithfully (let it up at the wrong time and I get to try
>> again from the start) until it gets to where I can select the boot
>> partition.
>>
>> Yes, I know about being able to set the default boot partition to
>> Windows. That isn't useful for the purpose. That is for a permament
>> change of the default. You then have to change it back to boot back into
>> OS X. Changing the default every time you reboot is more hassle than
>> just mashing the option key. I'd like to have an icon or something that
>> makes it override the default and reboot into Windows just this one
>> time; next time I reboot I'll most likely want to do so back to OS X.
>
> I had the same problem when I had a dual boot Linux/Windows system. I
> wanted to set a reboot in progress then grab a sandwich or cup of tea
> without sitting there.
>
> I solved that by putting LILO on a floppy and setting the thing up so
> that floppy-in booted Linux and floppy-out booted Windows (or was it the
> other way around?). Either way I could control which system booted by
> inserting or ejecting the floppy.
>
> I wonder if a similar setup could be achieved for OS X, using a USB
> stick instead of a floppy? And GRUB nowadays instead of LILO:
>
> <http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/4622>

I don't know about this on a Win-box, but you can use 'BootChamp' on a
Mac. This little tool puts an icon into the menubar from where you can
boot directly into any bootable Windows system. I've been using it on my
MacPro along with OS X 10.4.x + XPPro, 10.5.x + XPPro.

BootChamp 1.0.2 (freeware)
http://www.versiontracker.com/dyn/moreinfo/macosx/36697

Cheers, Erik Richard

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