Hyper-V Role / Virtual Machine / Tape Backup [Windows Servers]

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From: Phillip Windell on 7 Apr 2010 10:14

"Andrew Morton" <akm(a)in-press.co.uk.invalid> wrote in message
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> Server 2008.) Windows Server Backup supports backing up to external and
> internal disks, DVDs, and shared folders."

But she is using Backup Exec.

Phil

From: Sarah Kingswell on 7 Apr 2010 11:01

Thanks all for your responses but I am still confused ...

Are you saying I should be able to access the SCSI Tape from the Hyper-V
Guest Machine. Where do I get drivers from to install on the Guest machine?
I have looked at HP's site and found nothing. I have an HP LTO 400/800GB
drive which cost just short of �1500 and I don;t think the customer wants to
replace it. It's brand new. It came with software but only the Small
Business Edition of Symantec Backup Exec. Can't install this version on the
Hyper-V Host cause it's windows 2008 Server and won't run the license. I
can backup using Symantec Backup on the SBS server to a folder/file then use
something else to backup to tape on the Hyper-V Host computer but then the
customer is going to have to buy another product or upgrade Symantec Back
Exec.

Can I use the old NTBACKUP program on the Windows 2008 host computer?

"kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS(a)SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
news:udGkECe1KHA.3744(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
> Sarah Kingswell wrote:
>> Am I correct in thinking you cannot add tape backup drivers to a
>> virtual machine? I want to be able to use backup exec on a virtual
>> machine running windows 2008 but I have no way of installing the
>> drivers. I can use the backup on the Hyper-V Host computer without a
>> problem.
>> I have a Small Business Edition of the Backup software which came
>> with the drive. My problem is I can only install on the SBS server
>> which is installed on one of the virtual servers. Microsoft have
>> taken out the tape backup option from the windows backup program..
>> now I am little stuck what to do unless I buy a different copy of
>> backup exec. Never known this to be so flipping complicated.
>>
>> Any ideas
>
> Hyper-V guests would need to use iSCSI to get to the tape drives - if at
> all.
>
> If this is BackupExec it's reported to work and be supported solution.
> Check with the vendor for supported configurations
>
>
> --
> /kj
>

From: Sarah Kingswell on 7 Apr 2010 11:11

From: Phillip Windell on 7 Apr 2010 11:29

KJ can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the iSCSI (not SCSI) would be
virtualized hardware that is "presented" to the Guest by the Hypervisor.
The Drivers should already be there in the VM already when it was created,
or maybe when you enable the iSCSI for the VM.

Anyway, I use VMWare and VirtualPC,..I don't use HyperV,...but genarally
speaking you would "power down" the VM Guest. The configure the VM for what
it needs,...then power it back up. But don't just go off my
ramblings,...check the HyperV documentation for this. What I have said so
far should at least help you know what you are looking for.

In fact you should read anything you find in the Docs about Disaster
Recovery and what the best approaches are in a HyperV environment.
Virtualization changes our approach to almost everything,...you have to
change with it.

--
Phillip Windell

The views expressed, are my own and not those of my employer, or Microsoft,
or anyone else associated with me, including my cats.
-----------------------------------------------------

"Sarah Kingswell" <sarahkingswell(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:eyRxVSm1KHA.260(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
> Thanks all for your responses but I am still confused ...
>
> Are you saying I should be able to access the SCSI Tape from the Hyper-V
> Guest Machine. Where do I get drivers from to install on the Guest
> machine? I have looked at HP's site and found nothing. I have an HP LTO
> 400/800GB drive which cost just short of �1500 and I don;t think the
> customer wants to replace it. It's brand new. It came with software but
> only the Small Business Edition of Symantec Backup Exec. Can't install
> this version on the Hyper-V Host cause it's windows 2008 Server and won't
> run the license. I can backup using Symantec Backup on the SBS server to
> a folder/file then use something else to backup to tape on the Hyper-V
> Host computer but then the customer is going to have to buy another
> product or upgrade Symantec Back Exec.
>
> Can I use the old NTBACKUP program on the Windows 2008 host computer?
>
>
>
> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS(a)SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:udGkECe1KHA.3744(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>> Sarah Kingswell wrote:
>>> Am I correct in thinking you cannot add tape backup drivers to a
>>> virtual machine? I want to be able to use backup exec on a virtual
>>> machine running windows 2008 but I have no way of installing the
>>> drivers. I can use the backup on the Hyper-V Host computer without a
>>> problem.
>>> I have a Small Business Edition of the Backup software which came
>>> with the drive. My problem is I can only install on the SBS server
>>> which is installed on one of the virtual servers. Microsoft have
>>> taken out the tape backup option from the windows backup program..
>>> now I am little stuck what to do unless I buy a different copy of
>>> backup exec. Never known this to be so flipping complicated.
>>>
>>> Any ideas
>>
>> Hyper-V guests would need to use iSCSI to get to the tape drives - if at
>> all.
>>
>> If this is BackupExec it's reported to work and be supported solution.
>> Check with the vendor for supported configurations
>>
>>
>> --
>> /kj
>>
>

From: kj [SBS MVP] on 7 Apr 2010 11:52

One could use the builtin OS iSCSI initiator but there needs to be an iSCSI
target somewhere (extra) for SAN storage or Virtual Tape. It's not an
optimal solution. but the tape can be used to backup data from the iSCSI
target devices. There's no direct method TTBOMK.

Phillip Windell wrote:
> KJ can correct me if I am wrong, but I believe the iSCSI (not SCSI)
> would be virtualized hardware that is "presented" to the Guest by the
> Hypervisor. The Drivers should already be there in the VM already
> when it was created, or maybe when you enable the iSCSI for the VM.
>
> Anyway, I use VMWare and VirtualPC,..I don't use HyperV,...but
> genarally speaking you would "power down" the VM Guest. The
> configure the VM for what it needs,...then power it back up. But
> don't just go off my ramblings,...check the HyperV documentation for
> this. What I have said so far should at least help you know what you
> are looking for.
> In fact you should read anything you find in the Docs about Disaster
> Recovery and what the best approaches are in a HyperV environment.
> Virtualization changes our approach to almost everything,...you have
> to change with it.
>
>
>
> "Sarah Kingswell" <sarahkingswell(a)hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eyRxVSm1KHA.260(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...
>> Thanks all for your responses but I am still confused ...
>>
>> Are you saying I should be able to access the SCSI Tape from the
>> Hyper-V Guest Machine. Where do I get drivers from to install on
>> the Guest machine? I have looked at HP's site and found nothing. I
>> have an HP LTO 400/800GB drive which cost just short of �1500 and I
>> don;t think the customer wants to replace it. It's brand new. It
>> came with software but only the Small Business Edition of Symantec
>> Backup Exec. Can't install this version on the Hyper-V Host cause
>> it's windows 2008 Server and won't run the license. I can backup
>> using Symantec Backup on the SBS server to a folder/file then use
>> something else to backup to tape on the Hyper-V Host computer but
>> then the customer is going to have to buy another product or upgrade
>> Symantec Back Exec. Can I use the old NTBACKUP program on the Windows
>> 2008 host computer?
>>
>>
>>
>> "kj [SBS MVP]" <KevinJ.SBS(a)SPAMFREE.gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:udGkECe1KHA.3744(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl...
>>> Sarah Kingswell wrote:
>>>> Am I correct in thinking you cannot add tape backup drivers to a
>>>> virtual machine? I want to be able to use backup exec on a virtual
>>>> machine running windows 2008 but I have no way of installing the
>>>> drivers. I can use the backup on the Hyper-V Host computer
>>>> without a problem.
>>>> I have a Small Business Edition of the Backup software which came
>>>> with the drive. My problem is I can only install on the SBS server
>>>> which is installed on one of the virtual servers. Microsoft have
>>>> taken out the tape backup option from the windows backup program..
>>>> now I am little stuck what to do unless I buy a different copy of
>>>> backup exec. Never known this to be so flipping complicated.
>>>>
>>>> Any ideas
>>>
>>> Hyper-V guests would need to use iSCSI to get to the tape drives -
>>> if at all.
>>>
>>> If this is BackupExec it's reported to work and be supported
>>> solution. Check with the vendor for supported configurations
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> /kj

--
/kj

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