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From: Jim on 15 Feb 2010 01:07
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> You doh't care that to keep the tobloid-reading bottom feeders of our
> society happy, the NHS is withdrawing vital life-saving services and
> denying the sick access to necessary medical care, to provide IVF.

I don't believe that's the case and I'm certainly not going to take your
word for it. Citation please.

I repeat: it's NOT a zero-sum game.

Jim
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From: D.M. Procida on 15 Feb 2010 02:49
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> I care about the needs of the sick, even if you don't.
>
> You doh't care that to keep the tobloid-reading bottom feeders of our
> society happy, the NHS is withdrawing vital life-saving services and
> denying the sick access to necessary medical care, to provide IVF.

I'm quite glad that I live in a society that values children in this
way, and recognises their importance by helping people to have them.

I am also glad that our national health service recognises that children
are part of individual and social well-being, and that alongside its
mission to improve health by tackling illness and its causes, it also
works to promote well-being by recognising the significance of wider
human needs.

Daniele
From: Peter Ceresole on 15 Feb 2010 03:52
D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:

> I am also glad that our national health service recognises that children
> are part of individual and social well-being, and that alongside its
> mission to improve health by tackling illness and its causes, it also
> works to promote well-being by recognising the significance of wider
> human needs.

Yes; and when you see couples who desperately need to have children but
can't have them you realise that this isn't a vanity wish, it's
destructive and it ruins their lives. It's *not* less serious than
breaking an arm or having arthritis. I've seen it quite close to. And
I'm glad that the NHS will help such people.
--
Peter
From: Roger Merriman on 15 Feb 2010 04:06
Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:

> zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid> wrote:
> > > zoara <me18(a)privacy.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Rowland McDonnell <real-address-in-sig(a)flur.bltigibbet.invalid>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > at the thought of people missing out on vital medical treatment
> > > > > just
> > > > > so
> > > > > the human population of the planet can be increased.
> > > >
> > > > It would be naive to think that we hadn't given a lot of
> > > > consideration
> > > > to that point of view.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just seems silly, that to pay for IVF, essential medical care is
> > > > > unavailable to those who need it.
> > > >
> > > > According to my bank statement, we paid for this treatment.
> > >
> > > That makes all the difference.
> >
> > I am truly honoured that this meets with your approval.
>
> [snip]
>
> I care about the needs of the sick, even if you don't.
>
> You doh't care that to keep the tobloid-reading bottom feeders of our
> society happy, the NHS is withdrawing vital life-saving services and
> denying the sick access to necessary medical care, to provide IVF.
>
then i'm sure you'll be able to prove your stament?

NHS deals in more than just broken bones the idea is the health of the
nation which includes wellbeing.

> That's a gross obsenity, and one of the worst things our government has
> done in recent times. It's sickening. And you don't care.
>
> Rowland.

roger
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From: Jim on 15 Feb 2010 04:09
On 2010-02-15, Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> D.M. Procida <real-not-anti-spam-address(a)apple-juice.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I am also glad that our national health service recognises that children
>> are part of individual and social well-being, and that alongside its
>> mission to improve health by tackling illness and its causes, it also
>> works to promote well-being by recognising the significance of wider
>> human needs.
>
> Yes; and when you see couples who desperately need to have children but
> can't have them you realise that this isn't a vanity wish, it's
> destructive and it ruins their lives. It's *not* less serious than
> breaking an arm or having arthritis. I've seen it quite close to. And
> I'm glad that the NHS will help such people.

Thank you both for putting into words something I was struggling to.

Jim
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