From: John Navas on
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 22:22:42 +1000, Bob Larter <bobbylarter(a)gmail.com>
wrote in <4adafa85$1(a)dnews.tpgi.com.au>:

>RichA wrote:

>> But then again it doesn't matter since we should be talking about
>> photos taken by people competent enough to take good photos. With that
>> comparison, the DSLR blows the P&S away, every time, all the time.
>
>Indeed.

How childish. What matters most is the workman, not the tool.
A great photographer can take a great photo with an ordinary tool.
An ordinary photographer can't take a great photo with any tool.

--
Best regards,
John

Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: John Navas on
On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 09:28:51 -0700, nospam <nospam(a)nospam.invalid> wrote
in <201020090928518424%nospam(a)nospam.invalid>:

>In article <g8nrd55n30bmkar5dchv5t93ljv3k6fqbc(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> The best of the compact digital super-zoom cameras actually have three
>> (3) full stops of exposure advantage and a big lens range advantage over
>> realistic dSLR kit,
>
>you have that totally backwards.
>
>> which means we can be shooting at ISO 400 with the
>> right focal length while the typical dSLR user is pushed to ISO 3200
>> with the wrong focal length.
>
>a modern dslr at iso 3200 will have comparable or even less noise than
>a typical compact at iso 400, and can go much higher. the sensor is
>much larger and therefore has a much better s/n ratio. it's basic
>physics.

Wrong on both counts.

>> An infinite dSLR kit is totally impractical for the great majority of
>> people, and thus disingenuous and meaningless.
>
>straw man. nobody carries 'an infinite dslr kit'.

Then why persist is making such comparisons?
Is it so hard and necessary to justify your dSLR?

>> I've been there, done that, and am no longer willing to suffer that way.
>
>your choice. others choose differently.

Indeed. Good on ya.

--
Best regards,
John

Buying a dSLR doesn't make you a photographer,
it makes you a dSLR owner.
"The single most important component of a camera
is the twelve inches behind it." -Ansel Adams
From: Floyd L. Davidson on
John Navas <spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:
>On 18 Oct 2009 14:35:56 GMT, ray <ray(a)zianet.com> wrote in
><7k0necF37fbpiU20(a)mid.individual.net>:
>
>>On Fri, 16 Oct 2009 22:16:37 -0700, John McWilliams wrote:
>
>>> It doesn't in anyway negate what I and others have stated about top
>>> gear.
>>
>>I don't have a DSLR and the only point I'm trying to make is that for the
>>photography I generally do, it would not help - because I'd probably wind
>>up leaving it home in favour of a more managealbe P&S. Different folks
>>have different needs and requirements - there is not one camera style
>>that is perfect for everyone - if there were, the others would not be
>>there.
>
>Amen.
>
>Crusading for either dSLR or compact digital is childish and silly.

Why are you always doing exactly that?

>Henri Henri Cartier-Bresson and Constantine Manos famously used the
>Contax T, the film equivalent of a super compact P&S.

Cartier-Bresson use a Leica rangefinder with a 50mm lens for
virtually all of his work. At the time he began using it, it
was essentially the top of the line 35mm camera and in no way
was similar to the position of a "super compact P&S".

Near as I can tell, Constantine Manos has used various
Leica SLR cameras more than anything else.

>What matters most is the workman, not the tool.

You seem to have the wrong tools to be classified
as a craftsman.

--
Floyd L. Davidson <http://www.apaflo.com/floyd_davidson>
Ukpeagvik (Barrow, Alaska) floyd(a)apaflo.com
From: nospam on
In article <9msrd5p8cohc5ajpmi5ktq3bamamqq5avu(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> Crusading for either dSLR or compact digital is childish and silly.

so why do you persist in your crusade?

> Henri Henri Cartier-Bresson and Constantine Manos famously used the
> Contax T, the film equivalent of a super compact P&S.

invalid comparison. with film, *all* cameras had the same 'sensor,'
something which is *not* true with digital.

you didn't see them toting something like a 110 instamatic or minox,
which had 'smaller sensors.'
From: nospam on
In article <n8trd5toqr4kshtpu335vphlr2s8sltt7v(a)4ax.com>, John Navas
<spamfilter1(a)navasgroup.com> wrote:

> A great photographer can take a great photo with an ordinary tool.
> An ordinary photographer can't take a great photo with any tool.

which means there's no advantage to a compact. you finally see the
light, no pun intended.